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noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
NewJazz · 7 months ago
What initial question? It seems like you are confusing threads (again).

Is that a pun about cannabis?

I just don't think Sam Altman is gonna be the guy to command a droid army, and I also don't think they'll look humanoid, and I also think us saying he is a dipshit in public helps undermine his efforts to waste vital resources pursuing that dystopia that he may or may not want and almost certainly won't meaningfully achieve.

Maybe we're just operating on different assumptions. And maybe we have different goals. Perhaps I'm just replying to weigh down the conversation and thread, dilute Altman's profiteering propaganda.

noch · 7 months ago
> Perhaps I'm just replying to weigh down the conversation and thread, dilute Altman's profiteering propaganda.

At least you're self aware enough to know that you've contributed noise but not any signal.

And by the way, when you talk to a stranger and immediately get horny to tell them "you sound unhinged" that only reveals that it is you who is in fact unhinged, for you don't know jack about the stranger, but you assume that you are smarter and more knowledgeable than you actually are.

You're the kind of person who says "I don't know what you're talking about" to your interlocutor, and imagine that you saying that statement somehow invalidates the existence of what they are talking about. It's a child's psychology: if you say something doesn't exist then it must not exist.

> It seems like you are confusing threads (again).

smh. There's only 1 thread but perhaps you're the one lost in the maze. There's a word for reprobates like you who, during a discussion, imagine they spot an error, then latch onto that assumed error in order to claim it characterises the entire conversation. Essentially it only shows bad faith and it's a retarded way for you to talk to people. I surely hope your parents will teach you how to talk to strangers. Show them this thread and your responses and ask them for their perspective. If they actually don't know how to teach you, then that's definitely too bad.

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
h0l0cube · 7 months ago
They are, at minimum, information about a particular persons values and perspective. Collectively, those individual opinions are what shape elections and foment uprisings.
noch · 7 months ago
> They are, at minimum, information about a particular persons values and perspective. Collectively, those individual opinions are what shape elections and foment uprisings.

Ah. The good old communist dream: The masses are where the truth is. Just one more marginal voice and we will know of the glorious uprising that was foretold.

But of course one would say this, after all, this is the age of the influencer and the knee jerk reaction to any information is to turn to the nearest one and say "thoughts?"

Anyway, it doesn't matter. If you believe opinions are information, more power to you.

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
NewJazz · 7 months ago
You quoted something I didn't write?

Regarding the robots and ignorance. You honestly sound a bit unhinged. You ought to touch grass.

noch · 7 months ago
> You honestly sound a bit unhinged.

smh. Is that the best you've got or do you have a useful answer to my initial question?

Do you always walk around insulting strangers? It seems like you need the grass you love to recommend so much. It will help you more than anyone else.

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
NewJazz · 7 months ago
Opinions are information?
noch · 7 months ago
> Opinions are information?

Not really. That's why there's a saying, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."

Information has to correspond to reality, the only arbiter of truth. When I give you my opinion I can say pretty much anything, usually they correspond to feelings e.g. "I think if you ask her out she'll say yes. I think this because you're my friend and I like you so surely she will."

But I think you already know that opinions are not information and perhaps you're asking rhetorically and hopefully not trolling me?

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
mrbungie · 7 months ago
Ask Musk how Tesla sales in EU are doing once enough people started distrusting him directly as a person.

Economic votes are based partly on trust, and with enough swinging in the distrust direction, it would have a direct repercution on OAI financials.

noch · 7 months ago
> Ask Musk how Tesla sales in EU are doing once enough people started distrusting him directly as a person.

Have you looked at $TSLA recently?

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
NewJazz · 7 months ago
That you disagree there is a social contract is unsurprising. You strike me as the type to be unaware of social norms.

I've evaluated the veracity and sincerity of many nonprofits and for profit corporations alike.

I have no idea what you're on about regarding sentient robots.

noch · 7 months ago
> You strike me as the type to be unaware of social norms

You have a weird way of talking to strangers. But, you know what they say about assumptions.

> I have no idea what you're on about regarding sentient robots.

So you're ignorant about both the state and purpose of OpenAI's research as well as the state of the art in robotics. So why am I even talking to an ignorant person? smh.

Thanks for your effort though.

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
h0l0cube · 7 months ago
> "so what"?

I totally understand your disenchantment, but if you feel that the mere opinions of the plebs are inconsequential^ and hence pointless, why participate in a public forum at all?

^Demonstrably not true if you look at the history of popular movements that garnered real and durable change, all which gathered momentum from the disgruntled mumblings of the plebs

noch · 7 months ago
> but if you feel that the mere opinions of the plebs are inconsequential^ and hence pointless, why participate in a public forum at all?

That gets to the heart of the matter, actually. Personally I participate in order to get new information and learn new ideas. But yeah, being human and flawed, I do end up giving opinions and I notice most people just want to talk about opinions.

But I digress. My question was specifically about the value of saying "I don't trust OpenAI".

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
NewJazz · 7 months ago
Nonprofits make a social contract, purporting to operate for the public good, not profit.

Trust that their operations are indeed benefiting the public and they are acting truthfully is important for making that social contract work.

Shady companies doing shady things and keeping shady records doesn't incentivize any type of market participants -- investors, consumers, philanthropists.

noch · 7 months ago
> Nonprofits make a social contract, purporting to operate for the public good, not profit.

This is obvious (though I disagree that there is a social contract, and if there is, it's worth the paper it's printed on) and everybody is aware what a nonprofit is. But your reply still doesn't answer my question. Another way of asking it is: how many other non-profits have you audited for trustworthiness before this conversation? What was the impact of your audit?

Or is saying "we can no longer trust Sam Altman" just us twiddling our thumbs so we can signal our virtue to others or comfort ourselves in our own powerlessness? In less than a decade he'll have an army of humanoid sentient robots and probably be the wealthiest person on the planet, and we'll still be yelling "we can no longer trust him"?

noch commented on Three Observations   blog.samaltman.com/three-... · Posted by u/davidbarker
h0l0cube · 7 months ago
> It would be like me saying, "I don't see why we should trust Saudi Aramco."

It's completely fair response to say that if the CEO of Saudi Aramco performatively pens an article on how to mitigate the effects of global warming, while also profiting from it, and engaging in no tangible actions to fix the problem.

noch · 7 months ago
> It's completely fair response

My question, rephrased, is "so what"? What is my or our trust worth? What does us claiming we no longer trust Saudi Aramco achieve unless we are investors or perhaps other significant stakeholders?

noch commented on Out of Africa: celebrating 100 years of human-origins research   nature.com/articles/d4158... · Posted by u/sohkamyung
nabla9 · 7 months ago
Genetic studies have put an end to that kind of speculation.

Only crackpots and religious nuts are supporting alternatives.

noch · 7 months ago
> [T]he mythos of people having popped out from the same area or region that they their most recent ancestors have lived […]

>> Genetic studies have put an end to that kind of speculation. Only crackpots and religious nuts are supporting alternatives.

David Reich (author of "Who We Are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the new science of the human past") says[^0]:

" The modern human lineage, leading to the great majority of the ancestors of people today, was probably in sub-Saharan Africa for the last 500,000 years at least. It might be much more. Certainly our main lineage was in Africa, probably 3-7 million years ago.

But in a period between about 2 million to 500,000 years ago, it's not at all clear where the main ancestors leading to modern humans were. There were humans throughout many parts of Eurasia and Africa with a parallel increase in brain size and not obviously closer ancestrality to modern humans in one place than in the other. It's not clear where the main lineages were. Maybe they were in both places and mixed to form the lineages that gave rise to people today.

There's been an assumption where Africa's been at the center of everything for many millions of years. Certainly it's been absolutely central at many periods in human history. But in this key period when a lot of important changes happen—when modern humans develop from Homo habilis and Homo erectus all the way to Homo heidelbergensis and the shared ancestor of Neanderthals, modern humans, and Denisovans— that time period which is when a lot of the important change happened, it's not clear, based on the archaeology and genetics, where that occurred as I understand it. " (emphasis mine throughout)

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[^0]: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/david-reich

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