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newguy1234 commented on Stripe bans Trump campaign   axios.com/payment-process... · Posted by u/benguillet
newguy1234 · 5 years ago
Imagine what would happen if Trump comes back and says:

"Our store is only accepting Bitcoin, Ethereum and Monero as payment methods"

Could spearhead the shift to decentralized cryptocurrencies.

newguy1234 commented on Clearview AI being used to identify Capitol rioters   nytimes.com/live/2021/01/... · Posted by u/nonprofiteer
ineedasername · 5 years ago
I don't understand the beard trend. (Pictured in the article) It seems like a huge portion of anti-government and/or ardent President Trump supporters have those big untrimmed beards.

Is it regional based on where many such supporters live? I certainly don't see any ideological link to untrimmed beards, so it must be some other co-occuring factor.

newguy1234 · 5 years ago
Conservative men pride themselves in being distinctly men so they exaggerate the masculine traits like a beard.
newguy1234 commented on Clearview AI being used to identify Capitol rioters   nytimes.com/live/2021/01/... · Posted by u/nonprofiteer
rychco · 5 years ago
I realize that this is one of those situations where I'm supposed to be supportive of the use of facial recognition, but I'm still uncomfortable. Facial recognition seems like an all or nothing deal to me, and even after the capitol has been raided... I still opt for 'nothing'.
newguy1234 · 5 years ago
Agree. This is a huge slippery slope.
newguy1234 commented on Clearview AI being used to identify Capitol rioters   nytimes.com/live/2021/01/... · Posted by u/nonprofiteer
kristofferR · 5 years ago
You could say that about every criminal though.
newguy1234 · 5 years ago
In this situation we're talking about a bunch of conspiracy nut jobs compared to a cold-blooded criminal that premediates their violent crimes.
newguy1234 commented on Clearview AI being used to identify Capitol rioters   nytimes.com/live/2021/01/... · Posted by u/nonprofiteer
handmodel · 5 years ago
Yes. They tried to destroy the Capitol and capture elected officials. If you don't arrest them now then there will just be even more violent MAGA riots in the immediate future.
newguy1234 · 5 years ago
How long are we going to lock them up? How many people are we going to lock up?

My understanding was that there was 100k+ people in attendance at this rally and thousands of people were in the capitol building itself.

newguy1234 commented on Clearview AI being used to identify Capitol rioters   nytimes.com/live/2021/01/... · Posted by u/nonprofiteer
newguy1234 · 5 years ago
What exactly do people expect to happen by identifying the capitol rioters?

Okay they get arrested, maybe charged with a crime. Others will get doxxed and most will lose their jobs. They'll become social outcasts.

Do you really want a bunch of very angry people to effectively be pushed into a corner, demonized by society and so on?

This will end up having very big unintended consequences.

newguy1234 commented on Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler   nytimes.com/2021/01/09/te... · Posted by u/jimmy2020
ehsankia · 5 years ago
They had zipties, bombs, weapons and gallows. Can you imagine if one of those people who've spent 2 years reading hateful news about AOC would've done if they managed to make it to her office? Honestly January 6 could've ended much worse, and if something isn't done to put a break to the vitriot going unchecked on Parler, it very well may happen.

These people were recruiting and planning everything on Parler, doxxing and sharing information. This is what happens when a platform goes unmoderated. People like to think that a 100% free speech platform is great, but every instance of it I've seen has devolved into child porn, doxxing and violence.

newguy1234 · 5 years ago
The problem with this is that it doesn't end with parler and similar. It ends with a new bill being passed where the ability to make communication platforms of anything is effectively stripped from any small person from making. It will be delegated solely to big corporations with government approval.
newguy1234 commented on Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler   nytimes.com/2021/01/09/te... · Posted by u/jimmy2020
apta_ · 5 years ago
> To me it seems obvious the feedback works in the opposite direction. Deplatforming disrupts the feedback bubbles that radicalize these people.

I think it will push them off to even more obscure platforms, and the ones that do make it there will be much more extreme and dangerous. They'll be harder to monitor as well.

At some point, a show of force might be necessary.

newguy1234 · 5 years ago
Really do you want the government to do something similar to the "night of the long knives" like what happened in Germany? Think about what type of message that is sending and what type of society you want to live in.

I find it very hard to believe that people get the impression that Trump was the fascist when you are over here advocating for a fascist method of silencing opposition groups.

Violence and persecution is never the answer.

newguy1234 commented on Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler   nytimes.com/2021/01/09/te... · Posted by u/jimmy2020
ve55 · 5 years ago
It must feel pretty surreal to be someone that is constantly moving to different communication apps and instantly finding them pulled by anyone and everyone.

We've seen an escalation of this from higher-level platforms (obviously Twitter can ban an account if they desire) to medium-level platforms (I suppose Apple gets to pick what I can do on my own phone even if it feels a bit wrong), but I'm curious if this will also escalate to low-level platforms (will hosting companies, registrars, or even ISPs start taking similar actions on a regular basis?).

At this point it appears to be in a bit of a feedback loop as well, since it's obvious that deplatforming groups will make them feel persecuted and even more upset, which then makes them more likely to be deplatformed by whichever platform they move to next.

Could this escalate even past low-level companies and result in decentralized, uncensorable, and end-to-end encrypted technologies having action taken against them (as more users, including some that are radicalized, seek them out)? I certainly hope not, but I have no faith in our government's various administrations here to begin with, especially given that we are likely only at the beginning of these types of conflicts.

(Obligatory note that I am not defending any given platform, group of people, or anything of that matter, as I find it much more interesting to talk about how systems like this may play out instead)

newguy1234 · 5 years ago
I am a conservative and right now in the community there is talks of using high-anonymity tools like TOR to go completely underground. We're trying to educate everyone on how to use these tools as quickly as possible.
newguy1234 commented on The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance   wired.com/story/opinion-t... · Posted by u/jimmy2020
almost_usual · 5 years ago
Or motivation to stop the threat. I’m truly worried about more armed uprising and no enforcement.
newguy1234 · 5 years ago
Law enforcement/FBI have never been good at stopping terrorist attacks. The only ones they stop are the ones where the attacker is being stupid obvious like openly talking about it online. Most of the time they let them go through because "they need to build a case".

u/newguy1234

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