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ndiddy commented on The decline of high-tech manufacturing in the United States   blog.waldrn.com/p/the-dec... · Posted by u/giuliomagnifico
nostrademons · 6 days ago
So here's what I don't get about the public discourse on manufacturing in the U.S:

When I talk to people who actually run factories here, they say that manufacturing in the U.S. is fine. It's just highly, highly automated. You'll have a production line that takes in plastic and chips and solder, and spits out consumer electronics at the end, and there are maybe a couple dozen employees in the whole plant whose job is to babysit the line and fix any machine that goes awry. Their description is backed up by data: manufacturing output has been flat since roughly 2000 [1], but manufacturing employment has dropped by more than 50% [2].

The public discourse about why we want to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. has been split into two main points (and you'll see it in comments here):

1) We should bring back manufacturing jobs so that we can have good, middle-class wages for the large segment of the population that's currently in low-wage service jobs and about to be displaced by AI.

2) We should bring back manufactured goods so that if we go to war with China, we can still make all the things we need to wage that war.

If it's #2, that's fair enough, and every indicator is that we can do that, it'll just take time and capital and perhaps some entrepreneurship. But it won't fix #1. Just like all other manufacturing in America today, the lines will be highly automated and largely run by themself. And that's a good thing - if we go to war, we want highly productive, distributed factories because we'll need the people to actually fight the war itself. The jobs are not coming back. If you expect someone with a high-school degree to be able to own a home today, the solution is not to put them to work in a factory ("manufacturing engineer" is a skilled job today anyway, not unlike a computer programmer), but to automate building houses and get rid of zoning/permitting constraints so that there are actually enough houses for everybody.

Is this just a case where politicians tell voters what they want to hear so they can go do what they want to do anyway? "We're going to bring back good high-paying manufacturing jobs for everyone" is a lot more palatable message than "We're going to go to war so you can die."

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OUTMS

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP

ndiddy · 6 days ago
Here's a great video by Smarter Every Day that came out a few months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY . It's about his experience with the atrophying US industrial skillset while he tries to make a grill scrubber entirely in the United States. He brings up a few good points about manufacturing that I personally found compelling:

1. During Covid, medical supplies were in short supply, to the point where the US government was flying in individual airplanes from China full of N95 masks and face shields. The guy making the video knew that Alabama (where he lives) wouldn't be on the priority list for where the masks and face shields would get distributed. His community's initial response was to 3D print face shields and donate them to healthcare facilities, but they knew that they had to step up to actual manufacturing to produce the face shields in necessary volumes. He was only able to find a single aging technician in Alabama capable of producing injection molding tooling, which he then was able to use to mass produce enough face shields to supply Alabama and neighboring states. If that one guy had chosen to retire before Covid, they would have not been able to make the injection mold locally. At a time where global supply chains were massively disrupted, they would have been screwed.

2. When an American company gets their products made overseas, the factory overseas that manufactures the product owns the tooling. This means that they're able to fill your order during the day, then at night make exact clones of your product with lower quality materials and undercut you, and you have no recourse. He brings up an example of a local small business that had this happen to them. Even though they had a design patent, they needed their lawyer to continually send letters to get Amazon to take down no-name clones of their product (and then the seller would just pick a new random set of 6 characters to sell it under). If US companies have no choice but to get their products made in countries that don't care about IP, then we're not just giving up on manufacturing, we're also giving up on designing products in the US.

When he was trying to get the injection mold for his grill scrubber made, lots of companies in the US were willing to do the actual plastic manufacturing in the US, but could only get the injection mold tooling done in China. He brought up that in the past, an American company would build a machine and then ship it away to the developing world to be operated there. We've now reversed this, so the high-skill portion of manufacturing is done overseas and the only Americans involved are just pushing the buttons to operate the machine.

ndiddy commented on OpenAI Progress   progress.openai.com... · Posted by u/vinhnx
svantana · 7 days ago
That's the conceit for the tv show For All Mankind - what if the space race didn't end? But I don't buy it, IMO the space race ended for material reasons rather than political. Space is just too hard and there is not much of value "out there". But regardless, it's a futile excuse, markets and politics should be part of any serious prognostication.
ndiddy · 7 days ago
I think it was a combination of the two. The Apollo program was never popular. It took up an enormous portion of the federal budget, which the Republicans argued was fiscally unwise and the Democrats argued that the money should have been used to fund domestic social programs. In 1962, the New York Times noted that the projected Apollo program budget could have instead been used to create over 100 universities of a similar size to Harvard, build millions of homes, replace hundreds of worn-out schools, build hundreds of hospitals, and fund disease research. The Apollo program's popularity peaked at 53% just after the moon landing, and by April 1970 it was back down to 40%. It wasn't until the mid-80s that the majority of Americans thought that the Apollo program was worth it. Because of all this, I think it's inevitable that the Apollo program would wind down once it had achieved its goal of national prestige.
ndiddy commented on Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?   josefprusa.com/articles/o... · Posted by u/rcarmo
ndiddy · 9 days ago
> But around the year 2020 we registered the first mention of 3D printing as a strategic industry by the Chinese government. We know that now, after a few years of research. We first realized something is off when the price of the parts is higher than the sale price of a complete machine in some cases. That is what sparked our interest and research into the subsidies. They exist, and are very efficient https://rhg.com/research/far-from-normal-an-augmented-assess.... Our industry, desktop 3D printing, faces a bleak future. Comparable to the automotive sector as if only one high volume car brand, say Audi, remained outside of China. That’s it. An inch away from complete dependency on China in an vital piece of tech, the one absolutely critical for creation of new IP.

It seems like the real problem here is that China is able to identify strategic industries, subsidize them, and see the subsidies result in increased production and lower prices, while Western countries aren't. I'm not sure if Prusa themselves can do anything about it, but unless the West gets its shit together and decides to actually try to compete, it seems like eventually every advanced manufacturing industry will be mainly Chinese.

ndiddy commented on Funding Open Source like public infrastructure   dri.es/funding-open-sourc... · Posted by u/pabs3
tgma · 10 days ago
I would be much more excited in finding ways to fund public infrastructure like Amazon does Prime rather than going the other way around. If anything, academic open source which is the closest alternative has not really produced much and the production open source that actually works is by and large corporate-sponsored.

P.S. The article also opens by contrasting open source consumption and contribution. In a certain sense, as the article acknowledges later, I care much much more about government consuming free software, as a neutral platform to avoid lock-in for themselves and the taxpayer, as well as providing an open foundation for integration and letting people use free software if they choose to (and not lock them to iOS and Android, for instance.) That alone is one of the biggest ways they can contribute. The actual code contribution will come naturally if they do that.

ndiddy · 10 days ago
> That alone is one of the biggest ways they can contribute. The actual code contribution will come naturally if they do that.

The article claims that this is not happening:

> Procurement practices often make the problem worse. Contracts are typically awarded to the lowest bidder or to large, well-known IT vendors rather than those with deep Open Source expertise and a track record of contributing back. Companies that help maintain Open Source projects are often undercut by firms that give nothing in return. This creates a race to the bottom that ultimately weakens the Open Source projects governments rely on.

> The European Commission runs more than a hundred Drupal sites, France operates over a thousand Drupal sites, and Australia's government has standardized on Drupal as its national digital platform. Yet despite this widespread use, most of these institutions contribute little back to Drupal's development or maintenance.

ndiddy commented on A case study in bad hiring practice and how to fix it   tomkranz.com/blog1/a-case... · Posted by u/prestelpirate
dismalaf · 11 days ago
Everyone complains about Canonical's hiring practices, yet they keep increasing headcount and still get many times more applicants than they hire...
ndiddy · 11 days ago
Of course they get many times more applicants than they hire. They have 1,200 employees but over 20,000 job postings on LinkedIn. I'm more curious about whether the people they end up hiring are their top choices. Because people need money for things like food and housing, it seems to me like forcing applicants to go through a months-long gauntlet with lengthy written essays, IQ tests, and 8+ interview rounds will filter out most people who are able to get hired anywhere else.
ndiddy commented on OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution   openindiana.org/... · Posted by u/doener
splatter9859 · 11 days ago
Wow. Illumos / Solaris is still kicking, eh?

Really too bad Solaris didn’t stick around and was so horribly mismanaged by Sun.

Solaris and Vax/VMS is where I started my career decades ago, and still brings back memories.

ndiddy · 11 days ago
It still is, but at this point I'm not sure why anyone would pick it over Linux for something new. All the killer Solaris features (ZFS, dtrace, zones, SMF) have good enough Linux equivalents (OpenZFS, eBPF, containers, systemd) and I'm not aware of any usecases where illumos outperforms Linux anymore.

OpenIndiana also has the problem that every commercial illumos user is using it for some niche purpose (networking infrastructure, storage appliance, that sort of thing) so it's basically up to a few unpaid volunteers working in their free time to adapt it for general desktop use. I'm not sure what the state of stuff like audio support or accelerated graphics looks like if you're on modern hardware.

ndiddy commented on All known 49-year-old Apple-1 computers   apple1registry.com/en/lis... · Posted by u/elvis70
kens · 12 days ago
That literally happened: a woman dropped off computer junk at an e-waste facility in Milpitas in 2015. The facility found an Apple I in the stuff and sold it for $200,000. They tried unsuccessfully to get in touch with the woman to split the money.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19665632

ndiddy · 12 days ago
The Apple 1 registry site says that it was likely a marketing stunt by the e-waste facility (https://www.apple1registry.com/en/theapple1.html):

> The story of an almost-destroyed Apple-1 found in a recycling center is a bit strange. There’s no proof it's true. No picture of the Apple-1 has been published, yet the company was in the news for a long time. After gaining so much attention, many people sent old computers to them. Numerous requests for a photo or info went unanswered. No Apple-1 expert or collector was ever contacted by the recycling company.

As far as I can tell, there's no public record of the sale, the buyer never came forward, and all the photos of the computer from news articles and stuff are stock images of other Apple 1s.

ndiddy commented on GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation   theverge.com/news/757461/... · Posted by u/Handy-Man
jedberg · 13 days ago
They also discontinued the ergo keyboard that I am using to type this. I'm very worried that when this keyboard goes out I won't have another option.

There is a clone on the market, which I use at home, that so far has been pretty promising, but we'll see if it has they lasting power that this one does.

ndiddy · 13 days ago
Kinesis makes a keyboard that's basically the Microsoft ergo layout but mechanical and you can remap the keys. I have one and like it. https://kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards/mwave/
ndiddy commented on Auf Wiedersehen, GitHub   github.blog/news-insights... · Posted by u/ben_hall
fareesh · 13 days ago
isnt it a rails mpa with some modern layers on top?
ndiddy · 13 days ago
They've been rewriting more and more of the site in React as time's gone on, and all new development has been in React. This means we get fun stuff like diffs being slow to load and failing to load at all when they're too large, the browser back button being unreliable, the code viewer being laggy for viewing large files, etc. Generally they don't seem to care about the site becoming as slow and janky as Gitlab.

u/ndiddy

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