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nbeversluis commented on Urtext: The Python plaintext library for people who've tried everything else   urtext.co/... · Posted by u/nbeversluis
kseistrup · 4 months ago
My pattience is infinite. :)

See, _that_ solution was much better! Unzip, restart, command palette — and there it is! Thanks!

nbeversluis · 4 months ago
Glad it worked out, thanks for the persistence. Glad to receive any feedback or questions either here or via the support form on urtext.co if you prefer.
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kseistrup · 4 months ago
Thank you for the links.

I think I'm too dumb for this. I have only installed Sublime Text 4 because of Urtext, and I have no prior experience with the editor. At all.

It is unclear to me what I should do with the `sublime_urtext_installer.py` file, so I jumped to the “run these steps manually” steps instead. This seems to be exactly what I did before with no luck, and this time is no different. Having followed the steps, the last step always only offer me to install “Urtext”, not “UrtextSublime” and if I do that there will be zero entries with “Urtext“ in the command palette afterwards.

I will be happy to try the `sublime_urtext_installer.py` road, but I simply don't know what to do with that file.

Cheers.

nbeversluis · 4 months ago
If you have the patience to try again, we are eliminating any package control channel from the process, it is now a .ZIP file download. See if these steps are any more successful: https://urtext.co/setup/sublime-text/
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_ZeD_ · 4 months ago
nbeversluis · 4 months ago
Yes, similar, and Leo was one of many inspirations.
nbeversluis commented on Urtext: The Python plaintext library for people who've tried everything else   urtext.co/... · Posted by u/nbeversluis
nathan_compton · 4 months ago
Seems like a very concise pitch would be "org-mode for Sublime" and that would explain it adequately for most emacs users.
nbeversluis · 4 months ago
It was inspired partly by org-mode, but org-mode can be quite difficult for non LISP-users. This project has the priority of low barrier to entry, with a lot of the Python-specific functionality coming out-of-the-box, and abstracted away underneath the syntax of "frames and calls." Even those are can be used only as desired; as another poster mentioned, the project has wiki-like functionality without going any deeper than the basic syntax.
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em-bee · 4 months ago
i'd like to see examples before i install something.
nbeversluis · 4 months ago
This was helpful, thank you. We replaced the video on the homepage with some inline examples of at least syntax, and will soon post some examples of "real world" use.

Curious, how important would it be to you that the examples be readable with syntax highlighting and full tabbing/formatting in the browser? It is somewhat complicated to accomplish this and; present examples are mostly using manual inline styling.

Would examples projects on Github be helpful? It presents the same problem for syntax highlighting.

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digdugdirk · 4 months ago
100%. This seems like something the Neovim crowd would get behind. They can be a helpful bunch too - it might be worth just starting a branch and asking for contribution assistance.
nbeversluis · 4 months ago
This was great feedback, thank you. One of us in the development group is looking at NeoVim now as another possible implementation.
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em-bee · 4 months ago
i searched for examples but could not find any. i found the syntax page which describes the elements, but it doesn't tell me what i can do with them or why i would use them. each element links to a separate page with more details, but even there i feel questions are left unanswered.

you explain the syntax but not the semantics.

i suppose that maybe if i had tried some alternatives then i would not need the semantics because i'd be already familiar with them.

nbeversluis · 4 months ago
This was helpful, thank you. We have replaced the home page video with inline examples of the syntax instead, and will be adding some real-world use examples in addition.
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zahlman · 4 months ago
I think you really need a separate pitch and documentation for "technical" and "non-technical" users. The editor system (GUI + Sublime Text integration) is effectively a separate project from the underlying format + library.
nbeversluis · 4 months ago
This is helpful feedback, thank you. We are working on this possibility, and explaining a clearer separation between, as another poster mentioned, the Python library (which is headless) and a specific implementation (which requires some sort of text view that may have GUI features).
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kseistrup · 4 months ago
When I follow the instructions on https://urtext.co/setup/sublime-text/ (did it several times with a clean slate each time) there is always only "Urtext" available for package install, never "UrtextSublime".

This is on Linux with Sublime 4 (and 2, didn't try v3).

nbeversluis · 4 months ago
Thank you for the feedback, very helpful. We are trying to solve this to make something close to a single-step install. The package at https://packagecontrol.io/search/urtext is now an installer only. See the readme at https://github.com/nbeversl/urtext_sublime_installer for information. It installs another package control channel and pulls the latest from there. Obviously this is not ideal, but it is the best we can do at the moment, unless you want to use Git and do it manually. Glad to hear any problems you run into.

u/nbeversluis

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