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matrix87 commented on The untold impact of cancellation   pretty.direct/impact... · Posted by u/cbeach
DanielVZ · 24 days ago
I once had a friend that was cancelled by an ex-girlfriend for petty and political reasons. I knew it was false because I had been present in most of the situations she described to cancel him and her story was full of lies. She was also a distant friend and her only comment was “I know why I do what I do”, which was pretty weird.

My friend was devastated, he had to stop going to his classes and feared that nobody would hire him, professors would hate him (since students already did), and that his life had ended. I spoke with him and assured him that wasn’t the case but to be honest I wasn’t sure either.

I don’t know the details but one year later she was suspended for a year for falsely accusing him, my friend graduated and promptly found a job.

All this to say I’m awfully scared now of the risk of my interactions with women being used in the future as a false narrative to cancel me. I’m happily married and due to life stuff I do have to interact with young girls and women. Because of this I try to be as distant as I can and limit any interaction that doesn’t involve multiple other adults.

I learnt that even if you do nothing wrong you can always be at risk, so I just try to minimize that risk as much as I possibly can.

matrix87 · 23 days ago
> All this to say I’m awfully scared now of the risk of my interactions with women being used in the future as a false narrative to cancel me.

Maybe just keep a war chest and slam them with a bunch of lawsuits if they get annoying. Or at least, that's how the professional bullshitters like Trump solve this problem

matrix87 commented on The untold impact of cancellation   pretty.direct/impact... · Posted by u/cbeach
matrix87 · 23 days ago
I'm convinced there's no way around this mob-like behavior. So much of our standing in society depends on things where there is no due process

The only way around this is to just keep stuff compartmentalized (work vs non-work, social group x vs social group y, relationships vs family, etc)

Or else certain kinds of people will form these "bullshit networks" that are sort of like mafias. Then they use the leverage that comes from it to bully other people around. It's the same network that amplifies a cancellation attempt

I've seen this play out in offices, friend groups, over extended family, etc. The best way to address it is to spot this kind of person, keep them compartmentalized, and give yourself the ability to walk away at any time as a check on their behavior. Or else there's no real bound on how awful they can be

matrix87 commented on The untold impact of cancellation   pretty.direct/impact... · Posted by u/cbeach
figassis · 24 days ago
Not excusing anyone who jumps at judgement, but this illustrates the importance of protecting the integrity of due process. People have over time seem many cases of due process being corrupted by money, power or just incompetence. Many times it has happened to them. Due process is often opaque, complex and lengthy so they decided to bring that in-house and make their own judgements.

I have learned to fight the instinct to judge because many times I judged very very sure of my conclusions, only to find put some time later how completely wrong I was. It's scary, how a rational person can feel so righteous and yet be so wrong. As a rule I try never to make a decision on the same day I receive information. You'd be surprised how much your opinion can change once you digest your info.

matrix87 · 23 days ago
there is no due process in most situations, courts are the exception and not the rule

the only fix I can think of is having a "don't shit where you eat" attitude and just keeping everything cleanly compartmentalized

matrix87 commented on Greek Woman Divorces Husband After ChatGPT 'Predicted' He Would Cheat on Her   tovima.com/society/greek-... · Posted by u/askl
matrix87 · 4 months ago
I wonder at what point people decide marriage isn't worth it and the increase in risk (because of no fault and annoying cultural climate) is priced in

I'm already there personally, it just looks like a rip off

matrix87 commented on How the Internet Left 4chan Behind   newyorker.com/culture/inf... · Posted by u/FinnLobsien
ViktorRay · 4 months ago
This article seems wrong to me.

The anonymous forum thrived when edgelord content wasn’t acceptable on more mainstream social media. Today, it can be found most anywhere.

I never used 4chan myself but I was in high school in the late 2000's and knew folks in my computer science classes who used to spend much time there. The late 2000's was before "mainstream social media" right? Only facebook.com was there and you could post whatever you wanted including "edgelord" stuff on facebook of the late 2000's as that version of facebook wasn't really moderated...

And then you had reddit also which at that time had many subreddits where you could post anything including 4chan stuff. I remember people on reddit back then complaining that reddit was for people too scared to go to 4chan. And I would laugh at the comments because they basically described me back then haha.

Mainstream social media stuff that this article talks about...that happened later in the 2010's....

Also it is still so surreal to me to see prestigious publications like the New Yorker talking about 4chan. Back in the 2000's and early 2010's 4chan was one of those super nerdy silly kinda dumb underground things that you didn't really talk about in public because it would be cringe worthy. I remember in 2016 when somebody shouted "PEPE!" at some Hillary Clinton rally and looking at the video of that and feeling cringe. The thought that history students in the future would have to study memes and the thought that people in the "real world" like CNN would be writing about some dumb silly nerd meme website was so bizzare. Even now in 2025 the fact that The New Yorker has this giant article about 4chan is so weird to me.

4chan...those "edgelord memes"....crazy reddit subreddits....Pepe the frog....

All these things were not supposed to change the "real world." Like I said earlier, I never used 4chan myself, but I really don't think anyone actually using 4chan or any of us using reddit back in the late 2000's or early 2010's ever imagined that anything posted on those sites would ever have any impact on the real world. The internet was just this place where nerdy people could go to post silly shit. What the hell happnened?

matrix87 · 4 months ago
> Also it is still so surreal to me to see prestigious publications like the New Yorker talking about 4chan

They have to acknowledge the internet, even if it's more plebian in nature, because that's where shit happens now. They aren't on the cutting edge of cultural commentary anymore. It's just yesterday's medium fighting to stay with the times

matrix87 commented on Googler... ex-Googler   nerdy.dev/ex-googler... · Posted by u/namukang
matrix87 · 4 months ago
Why is it always a googler writing these articles? Okay, you got laid off, but it's news because the company was google?
matrix87 commented on Talkin’ about a Revolution   drb.ie/articles/talkin-ab... · Posted by u/pepys
matrix87 · 5 months ago
> Most thinkers and ideologues that represent what is rotten in modern society have to thank Hegel.

You just need to jump through a few more hoops to get to the self-consciousness and then you'll see, it all makes sense in hindsight

(like the preface to the phenomenology, this comment will only make sense once you've read the whole damn thing)

matrix87 commented on Talkin’ about a Revolution   drb.ie/articles/talkin-ab... · Posted by u/pepys
benzayb · 5 months ago
"Hegel, installed from above, by the powers that be, as the certified Great Philosopher, was a flat-headed, insipid, nauseating, illiterate charlatan, who reached the pinnacle of audacity in scribbling together and dishing up the craziest mystifying nonsense. This nonsense has been noisily proclaimed as immortal wisdom by mercenary followers and readily accepted as such by all fools, who thus joined into as perfect a chorus of admiration as had ever been heard before. The extensive field of spiritual influence with which Hegel was furnished by those in power has enabled him to achieve the intellectual corruption of a whole generation."

-- Schopenhauer

matrix87 · 5 months ago
"Moreover, when this non-conceptual, substantial knowledge professes to have sunk the idiosyncrasy of the self in essential being, and to philoso­phize in a true and holy manner, it hides the truth from itself: by spurning measure and definition, instead of being devoted to God, it merely gives free rein both to the contingency of the content within it, and to its own caprice. Such minds, when they give themselves up to the uncontrolled ferment of the divine substance, imagine that, by drawing a veil over self­ consciousness and surrendering understanding they become the beloved of God to whom He gives wisdom in sleep; and hence what they in fact receive, and bring to birth in their sleep, is nothing but dreams."

-- Hegel

matrix87 commented on Talkin’ about a Revolution   drb.ie/articles/talkin-ab... · Posted by u/pepys
keiferski · 5 months ago
Good article. The point about contemporary philosophers not having grand theories is something that comes up frequently in philosophy spaces (i.e., /r/academicphilosophy or https://dailynous.com).

The problem is that the academic system is really not designed to select such individuals, instead optimizing for specialized publications, pedigree, etc. The average philosopher has zero incentive for constructing grand theories and indeed is typically ridiculed for even attempting to do so.

And so instead the best "public intellectuals" the world of philosophy can offer are either obsessively focused on particular issues rather than the field as a whole, (e.g., Peter Singer) or are entirely philosophically-uneducated charlatans who want to sell books and make money, not discover truth (e.g. Sam Harris, talking heads on Twitter, Substack, etc.) that unfortunately get an audience. The closest we get are probably Charles Taylor (big scope, but unfortunately too verbose and abstruse) or Zizek (too niche and far into his own entertainment career.)

I'm not sure what the solution is, but it probably involves a brilliant (and credentialed) philosopher that is also savvy with YouTube and willing to disregard the academic philosophy social milieu.

matrix87 · 5 months ago
> The average philosopher has zero incentive for constructing grand theories

I mean, considering Hegel's grand theory indirectly lead to the deaths of tens of millions in the 20th century, maybe that's not a bad thing?

u/matrix87

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