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mariavillosa commented on Open letter from the BMJ to Mark Zuckerberg bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n... · Posted by u/DrHilarius

edmundsauto · 4 years ago

It’s pretty easy to opt out of corporate dystopia without being jailed or murdered. People love to brag about how they quit social media.

This sounds like people want to have the benefits of these platforms without accepting the trade offs.

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

>It’s pretty easy to opt out of corporate dystopia >People love to brag about how they quit social media.

Social media is the tip of the dystopic iceberg

mariavillosa commented on Open letter from the BMJ to Mark Zuckerberg bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n... · Posted by u/DrHilarius

bastardoperator · 4 years ago

That's not the purpose of the 1A. If you read 1A it's fairly basic.

  Congress shall make no law...

1A protects you from the government. If we dive deeper into the civil rights act

  no business serving the public can discriminate because of a customer's national origin, sex, religion, color, or race

Unless someone can prove people are being removed from platforms for reasons above companies are well within their rights to refuse service.

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

> That's not the purpose of the 1A. If you read 1A it's fairly basic. >Congress...

Right, at the time of writing, that would have been perceived as the gravest threat to free expression. But I don't think that's still the case.

> Unless someone can prove people are being removed from platforms for reasons above companies are well within their rights to refuse service.

Agreed completely, I'm not making a legal claim. My claim attempts to stand on the moral philosophy behind these laws.

mariavillosa commented on The rise and fall of rationality in language pnas.org/content/118/51/e... · Posted by u/olifante

throw0101a · 4 years ago

> Objective truth does not exist.

Besides this statement?

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

Oh I was writing the same comment, you beat me to it, and more elegantly!

mariavillosa commented on The rise and fall of rationality in language pnas.org/content/118/51/e... · Posted by u/olifante

enderm · 4 years ago

In my opinion, objective truth does not exist. “Fact-free argumentation" is good and desirable.

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

>Objective truth does not exist

That's an objective truth claim right there!

mariavillosa commented on Open letter from the BMJ to Mark Zuckerberg bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n... · Posted by u/DrHilarius

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

>This has nothing to do with 1A. Businesses have the right to refuse service if you're being too loud in their establishment. Sorry, not sorry.

If the purpose of 1a is to foster a society where speech is democratic, then it does, because corporations have largely replaced governments as the primary arbiters of information. So philosophically, the idea behind it is very relevant.

The kind of power that governments abused, leading to 1a, is in some ways analogous to corporate power today. Whether that analogy is valid is the debate, right?

I'm not from the US, but I wonder - just like how liberalism radically reimagined governance and the role of the commons in their relationship to the state, I wonder how a revolution this century could radically reimagine the digital commons.

What will seem like obvious, basic digital rights, 100 years from now, that are completely unimaginable to my digitally medieval brain, like a preliberal medieval peasant?

mariavillosa commented on I resigned from Twitter twitter.com/jack/status/1... · Posted by u/ryzvonusef

AussieWog93 · 4 years ago

I understood "enlightened" to mean "espousing modern values of enlightenment" - basically fostering a belief in science and reason and trying to push mankind further in terms of technological and moral progress.

In this regard, both of those countries would be considered B-tier at worst.

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

This is my perception as well. Not knocking either of those countries, just curious if they were thought to be bastions of enlightenment values.

mariavillosa commented on I resigned from Twitter twitter.com/jack/status/1... · Posted by u/ryzvonusef

AussieWog93 · 4 years ago

The USA and UK, while not perfect, are absolutely more enlightened than, say, South Sudan or Saudi Arabia.

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

But almost all countries are more liberal than those two. My question isn't if the US and UK are the least enlightened countries in the world, but rather, if people see them as particularly enlightened among countries. Ie compared to any other random liberal country like Mexico or Czech Republic.

I understand OP's point, just curious whether the examples used reflect a common perception. To me when thinking of stereotypically enlightened societies, I think of Iceland or Canada or something. The US I think of more as a business+war society, and UK seems somewhere in the middle, but much lower than the rest of Europe.

This is based on nothing objective, just wondering what other people's perceptions of these places are

mariavillosa commented on I resigned from Twitter twitter.com/jack/status/1... · Posted by u/ryzvonusef

Dumblydorr · 4 years ago

Has mediating access to information been the defining tool of control for civilizations? Maybe in tyrannical, despotic societies that is true, but those don't allow Twitter today via firewalls, so that's mostly a moot point in this thread.

I'd say the sword and the coin have both been far more controlling than limited information spread.

What of free society? Is the government of the USA, UK, or other "enlightened" societies throughout history relying upon censorship and denial of information? I think they're moreso allowing moneyed interests and plutocracy to have lobbying and backdoor dealings, they can easily ignore the public square most of the time. I just don't see Twitter piercing the armor of entrenched interests that well.

In contrast, I do see it degrading and toxifying democratic discourse, making us less resilient and more divided. That's anti-thetical to a free society in my view.

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

>Is the government of the USA, UK, or other "enlightened" societies throughout history

That sentence piques my interest, do people see the USA and UK that way? I think of Switzerland and Canada that way, for example, but my knowledge is all based on stereotypes. Maybe it depends where you're from, as the stereotypes must differ among regions.

mariavillosa commented on My first time censored (Great Firewall) mari.thoughts.page/#16379... · Posted by u/mariavillosa

0xBADA55 · 4 years ago

Why is this on HN?

mariavillosa · 4 years ago

just something that amused me :)

Posted by u/mariavillosa 4 years ago

My first time censored (Great Firewall)mari.thoughts.page/#16379...

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