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luffapi commented on Why Figma Wins (2020) kwokchain.com/2020/06/19/... · Posted by u/conanxin

dang · 4 years ago

There's no single definition of those terms, and how they should be understood is itself a contentious ideological question, so what you're effectively asking is that HN be moderated according to your particular ideology. This comes up a lot, as you can imagine, and again, in my experience it has mostly to do with the passions of the person making the demand (whatever their particular ideology).

To put it crudely, ideologically passionate people want us to promote what they agree with and ban what they disagree with. That's no basis for moderating a diverse community, and it would be crazy-making to try—one would be walking into a hornet's nest of contradictory demands (because on what basis would we conform to one demand rather than another?), and the demands would only get stronger with every attempt to satisfy them. I don't think this is a good path.

There's nothing specific that you've brought up that isn't addressable by the way we moderate HN today. The fact that we don't see everything and that it takes time to moderate flagged comments are just practical realities of running the site. Demanding that we see and take care of everything instantly is unrealistic.

(I was editing this while you were replying- sorry. I don't think I changed the meaning of the comment.)

luffapi · 4 years ago

This is racist:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28592947

luffapi commented on Why Figma Wins (2020) kwokchain.com/2020/06/19/... · Posted by u/conanxin

dang · 4 years ago

> I did flag it. That does nothing apparently.

The comment is flagkilled now. These things take time; there's no way around that.

Literally everyone with strong ideological passions feel that HN is "overrun with garbage" and they all have contradictory definitions of "garbage" - basically whatever they strongly disagree with. This kind of feeling is a mirror of your own passions (I don't mean you personally, but everyone who feels this way, with all their conflicting points of view). It is not a reliable compass for moderating a large international community.

luffapi · 4 years ago

Literally overrun with racists then. I would think most people in their right mind would consider racism garbage.

luffapi commented on Why Figma Wins (2020) kwokchain.com/2020/06/19/... · Posted by u/conanxin

dang · 4 years ago

If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. Please don't post off-topic complaints like this, which we may not even see.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Also, would you please stop this ideological rampage? You've been posting about almost nothing else for days now.

HN is a wide-open forum with millions of users all over the world. It's inevitably going to get the full spectrum of posts. Picking a few bad ones and acting like those define either the community or the moderators is a huge non sequitur, even though I know it's emotionally convincing. This is a classic cognitive bias (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). Everyone does it, and the people you disagree with are every bit as convinced that the site is a "hotbed" or (favorite term) "cesspool" of your side.

The truth is that: (1) extreme posts are a tiny portion of what shows up here and we moderate them when we see them (see first paragraph above), and (2) HN has a spectrum of ideological views because the world has a spectrum of ideological views. You can't expect a community as large and as widely distributed as this to differ much from the general population.

luffapi · 4 years ago

I did flag it (I notice you didn’t even threaten that user with a ban btw). That does nothing apparently. It’s not “a few” bad posts. This site is overrun with this garbage. That thread has plenty of other comments that should be modded if you’re serious about running a healthy community.

You’re asking me to sit back and not be pissed that a site that is unfortunately influential in my industry acts as a megaphone to racists. I cannot and will not do that.

If racist comments were as rare as you claim I’d have nothing to respond to no? It’s extremely common.

luffapi commented on Why Figma Wins (2020) kwokchain.com/2020/06/19/... · Posted by u/conanxin

dang · 4 years ago

Ok, but the article is more narrowly scoped than that. Generic-indignant reactions lead to low-quality threads, so please don't post those.

luffapi · 4 years ago

Instead of bugging people who don’t like Figma (on topic btw), how about moderating white supremacists off the site like this guy?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28592947

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=skocznymroczny

luffapi commented on Overtime: We Need a Shorter Working Week jacobinmag.com/2021/09/sh... · Posted by u/Terretta

supernova87a · 4 years ago

Let's be clear: what some people who advocate for this want is "we want to work less, but be paid the same or greater".

I'm simply amazed that you can read any such article/essay and not see a single $ sign in the entire thing. It's like asking your child whether we should buy a bigger house. "Yes! That would be great!" Should the government offer more benefits? "Yes! I love the idea!"

Um, we're missing a certain part of the question, don't you think?

luffapi · 4 years ago

> It's like asking your child whether we should buy a bigger house. "Yes! That would be great!"

If my parents were billionaires, I would definitely assume they could buy a bigger house.

The only $ missing are on your end. You’ve not mentioned that nearly all profit is currently being hoarded by executives and investors. People aren’t blind to this and have correctly come to the decision to work as little as possible since all the gains will be captured by those at the top.

luffapi commented on Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple nytimes.com/2021/09/17/te... · Posted by u/xfr

samhwr · 4 years ago

Yes, I’m not a fan of lots of what Apple does, but I don’t see how these generalised complaints about Apple are related to this case. I don’t think your comments justify the notion that Apple is obliged to hire people at a loss to provide some form of ad hoc social welfare.

luffapi · 4 years ago

I really don’t think it’s that complex. Apple has a history of unethical, illegal and unsavory employment practices.

That’s a given though. My comment was about how HN jumped on this aspect of the story as it loves to punch down.

luffapi commented on Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple nytimes.com/2021/09/17/te... · Posted by u/xfr

samhwr · 4 years ago

I’m not sure why having the money is relevant. Plenty of companies, people, and governments ‘have the money’. The question is why it is specifically Apple who are obliged to provide welfare for this person at their own expense.

I have huge sympathy for human beings who are unable to work, and a humane society should provide for them, but I don’t see why it falls to Apple. This kind of populism (“person X or company Y should be arbitrarily forced to pay for thing Z, ultra vires, because they can”) feels like a lazy way to avoid solving a deeper societal problem which goes well beyond this one person.

luffapi · 4 years ago

> I’m not sure why having the money is relevant. Plenty of companies, people, and governments ‘have the money’.

And they are beholden to the public that allows them to keep that money. The government should absolutely be doing more to help disadvantaged people (and everyone else). That doesn’t make Apple a good place to work. They already have exploited child labor to build their fortunes. Apple is rotten to the core and this is just another example.

luffapi commented on Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple nytimes.com/2021/09/17/te... · Posted by u/xfr

samhwr · 4 years ago

I think it’s a harder question than either side is willing to accept. You have someone who isn’t of much use as an employee, but by no fault of their own. It’s a horrible situation for them to be in, and it’s one we have to think about as a society, but it’s unclear why Apple specifically is obliged to provide them welfare at its own expense.

luffapi · 4 years ago

It’s not a hard question at all. Apple has the money to easily accommodate all of their workers. It would even be a PR win. Tim Cook and the other execs are just anti-labor to their core and (don’t realize?) how clear their actions are being read by future potential employees.

luffapi commented on Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple nytimes.com/2021/09/17/te... · Posted by u/xfr

AbrahamParangi · 4 years ago

This is an interesting comment because it reveals a philosophical disagreement: is good/bad mostly about moral character or mostly about power?

luffapi · 4 years ago

In this case Apple has all of the power and none of the moral character.