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lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
ashu1461 · 2 months ago
Great release,

1. How do you decide whether to cache the data into a vector database or fetch it on runtime using a tool call ?

2. Slowly all players like Open AI / Claude are trying to provide a somewhat equivalent offering of connecting your workspaces and then providing search on top of it either via direct integrations / mcp servers, how do you see that spanning out ?

lennertjansen · 2 months ago
re 2.: I agree that there's a trend with OpenAI/Anthropic are adding Airweave-like connectors to ChatGPT and Claude Desktop. Imho this a good thing for us because it's showing the utility of our use case
lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
orliesaurus · 2 months ago
is this like RAG for cloud services that store my content?
lennertjansen · 2 months ago
Yes thats an accurate description. I'd add the nuance that our retrieval is designed to give agents the right actionable context to perform work on users' workspaces, and not necessarily to synthesize a final answer for a human end-user. But ofc you can use it for that.
lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
janwilmake · 2 months ago
Hey Lennert, congrats on the launch! Still open to chat about uithub
lennertjansen · 2 months ago
thanks Jan, lets definitely chat
lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
hommes-r · 2 months ago
Awesome to see the Cursor Airweave example!
lennertjansen · 2 months ago
thanks!
lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
Blahah · 2 months ago
This is pretty cool and I could see myself recommending this to our team for some applications. Congrats on the launch!

A couple of bits of feedback:

1. Code samples on the site have broken whitespace on mobile (Android/Brave) so look a bit intense.

2. The pricing is complex to reason about - I have to consider the technical aspects and the number of users? Why don't I just get an API key?

lennertjansen · 2 months ago
1. thanks for the feedback, testing it on a smartphone and changing that asap. 2. What about the pricing do you find complex? And what would make it easier to understand for you? Just want to add that you can just get an API key by using the free developer version or local instance (API-key is shown immediately in the top-right panel). You can also create more in your org settings

and ofc, feel free to reach out if your team needs help with setup

lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
btown · 2 months ago
How do you compare to Onyx? We've used it for some limited use cases, but one of the real challenges - and one I hope to see a lot of innovation on in the space - was permissioning.

I see in another comment that you encourage each user to build their own dataset with their own permissions, but often this breaks for founders. If I have a Super Secret Personnel Planning Google Doc at a founder level, how can I be the one to set up the system for our company, but ensure that only files that I've explicitly shared with the company are ingested? What if a file needs to be made anyone-with-link-can-access for sharing with a strategic partner, but that shouldn't be indexed for the entire company?

Far too much of the world relies on the security-by-obscurity of public-but-unindexed links, and communications that might look public from a metadata perspective but were carefully designed for a very specific group of people who have verbal/mental context about confidentiality expectations. Being able to categorize by likely confidentiality, and allowing an administrator to partition access on a project and sub-project basis based on that, might be crucial for growth.

My recollection is that Onyx had limited support for some security use cases, but very rudimentary. Hoping you can solve this in a thoughtful way!

Onyx links for comparison:

https://www.onyx.app/

https://docs.onyx.app/developers/guides/chat_guide

https://docs.onyx.app/admin/connectors/official/

lennertjansen · 2 months ago
@btown: Biggest difference: Airweave is infra for devs, i.e., connectors, sync, indexing (semantic + keyword), and a retrieval API/MCP designed with LLMs in mind as the consumers. You bring the agent/UI. Onyx is an end-to-end search app that owns the agentic reasoning layers that orchestrates their search. You can think of Airweave as a dev tool that you would use if you were building an agentic application, where Onyx is a good example of one.

On permissioning: we default to per-user syncs that adopt the permissions of the syncing user and mirror source ACLs (e.g., Drive items a user owns or that are sharedWithMe). In practice, founders avoid leaking private docs by either (a) having each user sync their own corpus, or (b) using a centrally-scoped token limited to Shared Drives/team folders and excluding personal “My Drive.” You can also keep separate collections and only expose cross-user search behind your own checks. We’re exploring richer org-level RBAC mapping on a per-customer basis (e.g., mapping Drive/SharePoint groups to index ACLs), but the above works today.

@Weves: Thanks, appreciate it!

lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
ori_b · 2 months ago
Can I have the application search without the LLM shit?
lennertjansen · 2 months ago
yes, you don’t have to use LLM operations during search. You can set the search-endpoint to just use BM25 keyword search.
lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
andric · 2 months ago
Your pricing currently seems prohibitive for that kind of use case. Shouldn't it be usage-based so one can build a product where users can connect their apps without having to worry about arbitrary limits on plans? There should be a PAYG option that simply charges per connection, and automatic volume discounts.
lennertjansen · 2 months ago
the custom priced tier has usage based pricing. Admittedly, we’re still trying to nail down the unit economics of it all, which is pretty tricky in our case. That’s partly why wanted to release the free dev tier and cheap pro tier, so people can get started with building lightweight projects already. But I 100% agree that the next step is a self-serve PAYG tier.
lennertjansen commented on Launch HN: Airweave (YC X25) – Let agents search any app   github.com/airweave-ai/ai... · Posted by u/lennertjansen
suprnurd · 2 months ago
Looks great! It's cool how you are able to unify multiple sources into a single searchable layer. I’m curious how you chose which connectors to support first (e.g. GitHub, Notion, Slack) and how you plan to scale connector coverage? Thanks!
lennertjansen · 2 months ago
it's currently guided by community feedback, github issues, and user talks. and we rely on private e2e test suites for maintaining quality as we scale coverage

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