And people harmed by the externalities of forced union choice. Two sides, same coin.
Of course. That's the whole point of society.
Readit Newsklmadfejno commented on Uber recognises a union for the first time bbc.com/news/business-572... · Posted by u/shivbhatt
klmadfejno commented on A.I. Is Solving the Wrong Problem onezero.medium.com/a-i-is... · Posted by u/mbellotti
The moving of the goal posts is being done by those who claim that chess algorithm are in any sense intelligent.
The same holds for artificial intelligence broadly. It is as far from intelligence as a can opener.
If a lookup table can predict human decisions with high accuracy given access to its senses and feelings, then either a human is just another can opener or intelligence isn't real.
klmadfejno commented on A.I. Is Solving the Wrong Problem onezero.medium.com/a-i-is... · Posted by u/mbellotti
> Uh-huh. And how exactly do you play chess? Do you not, perhaps, think about future states resultant from your next move?
Not quite. You'd need to look into how people play chess. It has vastly more to do with present positioning and making high-quality evaluations of present board configuration.
> rock will frequently fail to get the to bottom of a hill due to local minimums
Indeed. And what is a system which merely falls into a dataset?
A NN is just a system for remembering a dataset and interpolating a line between its points.
If you replace a tree search with a database of billions of examples, are you actually solving the problem you were asked to solve?
Only if you thought the goal was literally to win the game; or to find the route to the bottom of the hill. That was never the challenge -- we all know there are shotcuts to merely winning.
Intelligence is in how you win, not that you have.
> Not quite. You'd need to look into how people play chess. It has vastly more to do with present positioning and making high-quality evaluations of present board configuration.
That is what Alpha Zero does when you remove tree search
> A NN is just a system for remembering a dataset and interpolating a line between its points.
Interpolating a line between points == making inferences on new situations based on past experience.
> If you replace a tree search with a database of billions of examples, are you actually solving the problem you were asked to solve?
The NN still performs well on positions it hasn't see before. It's not a database. The fact that the NN learned from billions of examples is irrelevant. Age limits aside, a human could have billions of examples of experience as well.
> A NN is just a system for remembering a dataset and interpolating a line between its points.
So are human brains. That is the very nature of how decisions are made.
> Only if you thought the goal was literally to win the game; or to find the route to the bottom of the hill. That was never the challenge
So then why did you bring it up as an example other than to move goal posts yet again? I can build a bot to explore new areas too. Probably better than humans can. Any novel perspective that a human brings, is, by definition, learned elsewhere, just like a bot.
> Intelligence is in how you win, not that you have.
Sure, and being a dumbass is in how you convince yourself you're superior when you lose every game. There are many open challenges in AI. Making systems better at learning quickly and generalizing context is a very hard problem. But at the same time, intellectual tasks are being not only automated, but vastly improved by AI in many areas. Moving goalposts on what was clearly thought labor in the past is just handwaving philosophy to blind yourself from something real and actively happening. The DOTA bots don't adapt to unfamiliar strategies by their opponents, and yet, they're still good at DOTA.
klmadfejno commented on Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts twitter.com/esraefe/statu... · Posted by u/danielstocks
I kind of get the worry, but the requirements and processes seem to scale exponentially with reliability needs. Online companies may fuck up every day in new and creative ways and we barely get to hear about it. On the other hand we know of every nuclear failure so far with enough public details to discuss the whole time line, system design, steps each person followed, etc. and the death count is still minimal. Then each of those is an input to the future processes. Nuclear power plants and air traffic are in their own class of reliability and safety processes - not even comparable to that's happening in internet commerce.
We know every nuclear failure. We don't know every time a strong nuclear risk existed but by chance, didn't trigger. Nuclear power plants are probably much safer on average, but it only takes one corner cutting plant to cause a nuclear accident.
That said, I'm also pro-nuclear.
klmadfejno commented on Uber recognises a union for the first time bbc.com/news/business-572... · Posted by u/shivbhatt
If I want to work for Uber given their conditions, who has the right to tell me I can't? Who has the right to tell me I must obey by some group's rules first (the union in this case)? It's bizarre.
I am all for unions. Go and organize people. But unions can't have special privileges granted by politicians (who very often are just bribed by those that run the union), and unions must never be mandatory to join. Mandate to join an union is immoral.
The people harmed by the externalities of your personal choices because you live in a society where some degree of cooperation with the larger community is required.
klmadfejno commented on A.I. Is Solving the Wrong Problem onezero.medium.com/a-i-is... · Posted by u/mbellotti
I dont see any single case of that. Rather in every case the goal posts were moved.
Can a computer play chess? No.
They search through many permutation of board states and in a very dumb way merely select the decision path that leads to a winning one.
That was never the challenge. The challenge was having them play chess; ie., no tricks, no shortcuts. Really evaluate the present board state, and actually choose a move.
And likewise everything else. A rock beats a child at finding the path to the bottom of a hill.
A rock "outperforms" the child. The challenge was never, literally, getting to the bottom of the hill: that's dumb. The challenge was matching the child's ability to do that anywhere via exploration, curiosity, planning, coordination, and everything else.
If you reduce intelligence to merely completing a highly specific task then there is always a shortcut, which uses no intelligence, to solving that task. The ability to build tools which use these shortcuts was never in doubt: we have done that for millenia.
> They search through many permutation of board states and in a very dumb way merely select the decision path that leads to a winning one.
> That was never the challenge. The challenge was having them play chess; ie., no tricks, no shortcuts. Really evaluate the present board state, and actually choose a move.
Uh-huh. And how exactly do you play chess? Do you not, perhaps, think about future states resultant from your next move?
Also, Alpha Zero, with its ability to do a tree search entirely removed, achieves an ELO score of greater than 3,000 in chess, which isn't even the intended design of the algorithm.
A rock will frequently fail to get the to bottom of a hill due to local minimums vs. global minimums. A child will too sometimes.
klmadfejno commented on On the Impending Deletion of Charlie Bit My Finger interconnected.org/home/2... · Posted by u/tmfi
The reason music got saved is, eventually, all signal gets transferred over two cables. It is simply not possible to gate it.
Video is much more complicated.
This doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean?
klmadfejno commented on On the Impending Deletion of Charlie Bit My Finger interconnected.org/home/2... · Posted by u/tmfi
I have a revolutionary idea. Instead of writing Quote Unquote Great Works, we could use a symbol to denote the Quote (opening) and Unquote (closing) around the word or sentence, like $Great Works$. We could even use the quote symbol (") for this purpose, which is kind of neat.
It would look like this: "Great Works".
It's so crazy it might just work.
(but seriously, WTF, article?)
I wouldn't use this personally, but to me it's pretty clear that the use of 'quote-unquote' is meant to denote sarcasm more strongly than quotation marks.
klmadfejno commented on A.I. Is Solving the Wrong Problem onezero.medium.com/a-i-is... · Posted by u/mbellotti
>Hard to see how that could be true. In just about any field, computers today provide much better situational awareness than was possible in 1970.
You sure about that?
https://twitter.com/hatr/status/1361756449802768387?s=20
>Waymo runs self driving cars today in very specific locations
Ernst Dickmann had autonomous cars on the road in very specific locations in the 1980s
> You sure about that?
Single dumb human posts singular dumb ai example to show that all ai are dumb and fails to recognize the irony.
They thought that AI would come out of building systems that can replace humans: sure, but only insofar as you preserve the use of intelligence.
If you replace with a shortcut, you havent built an intelligent machine.