kaba0 (u/kaba0) - Readit News

kaba0 commented on Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza reuters.com/world/middle-... · Posted by u/dnsbty

hmcq6 · 8 months ago

You completely left out the Nakba. Which you would have to to even attempt to make this point.

> The Arabs invite all the nations around them to attack the Jews with them.

I assume you're talking about the "Arab Invasion" of 1948? So, that would be after the Nakba started. In fact, Deir Yassin occured only a month before Israel was founded.

You're very obviously leaving out facts not in an attempt to be succinct but to obscure the actual history.

kaba0 · 8 months ago

The Nakba is not without prior history either.

It's simply the most complex sociopolitical issue on Earth today, if not ever in human history, it can't be "summed up" in some hot take.

kaba0 commented on Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza reuters.com/world/middle-... · Posted by u/dnsbty

malandrew · 8 months ago

In 1872, less than 4% of Palestine was Jewish. It was 17% in 1931. 33% in 1948 when Israel was formed.

The vast vast majority of Jews in Israel now are Ashkenazi. Ashkenazis are from Khazaria and converted to Judaism between 740 and 920 AD. Even from this population, there is a bottleneck around 600 to 800 years ago where the population was down to 350 individuals [1].

By and large very very few Jews in Palestine/Israel are able to claim Levantine/Semitic genetic ancestry.

Many Palestinians and other Levantine people in Palestine who now practice Islam are far more likely have to have ancestors that were once Jewish that actually lived in historical kingdom of Israel prior to 70 AD when Titus and Vespasian crushed a revolt there.

The ancestors of these folks that today practice Islam in Palestine likely converted to Islam sometime after 637 AD when Arabs started to settle in Palestine.

It's pretty commonly accepted all over the world since basically forever that ownership is bequeathed from parents to children. This means that those who are Islamic today but whose genetic ancestors practiced Judaism in the past and lived in the historical kingdom of Israel have far greater claim to the land than folks who have no genetic ancestry to the Kingdom of Israel and instead have ancestry with no genetic relationship that converted to Judaism about 1105 to 1285 years ago.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-35...

kaba0 · 8 months ago

I don't think this "claim to land" works in the modern age.

Countries were established and fought for in blood all thorough history, and the winners kept their land. End of story.

Unless we are talking about some remote village, every single country was funded on blood and violence, and after a certain point it just makes no sense to track it.

kaba0 commented on Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza reuters.com/world/middle-... · Posted by u/dnsbty

prmoustache · 8 months ago

The main issue transpires in your comment.

Judaism != Israël

Judaism is a religion. Being jew is not a nationality. More than 1 out of 4 israelis aren't jews, almost 20% are muslims, 2% are christians, there are also druzes, atheists and many others.

As you said, jews have lived there for millenias in what was called until very recently Palestine. Jews were palestinian before zionism. They could still be.

kaba0 · 8 months ago

"The Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group.."

From Wikipedia. You are absolutely wrong here, it is as much an ethnicity as it is a religion.

"Palestinian" didn't mean anything before, it's just the name of a land where Jews and Arabs coexisted.

kaba0 commented on Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza reuters.com/world/middle-... · Posted by u/dnsbty

guelo · 8 months ago

One country, one man, one vote. It is the only ethical way forward. Democracy moves conflicts from the realm of violence to politics. Abandon the idea that Jews have to be the majority vote.

kaba0 · 8 months ago

Would you be okay with being responsible for the never before seen bloodshed that would result in, with millions of innocent people dying as the direct result of your actions?

kaba0 commented on QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwq... · Posted by u/amrrs

apocadam · 9 months ago

Exactly, it's completely arbitrary. I like to frame it in terms of fitting n points (the existing data in the problem) to a polynomial of degree n+1, where there's an infinite number of ways to pick a solution and still satisfy the initial data.

kaba0 · 9 months ago

Maybe the "solution with the lowest Kolmogorov complexity".

In a sibling comment, I replied that usually a repeating pattern can also be applied, but that one usually requires storing the n-sequence, rarely making it the shortest encodable rule.

kaba0 commented on QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwq... · Posted by u/amrrs

exact_string · 9 months ago

These tests always make me wonder: What qualifies as a valid pattern rule?

For example, why wouldn't "0" be a correct answer here (rule being "every other number on the right should be 0, other numbers do not have a pattern")?

kaba0 · 9 months ago

This is exactly what I hated about these kind of questions!!

Or just, the pattern simply repeats for the n next number.. like come on, there is no objective metric for which rule is "better".

kaba0 commented on QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwq... · Posted by u/amrrs

icoder · 9 months ago

This line had me laughing:

"But that doesn't make sense because Sally can't be her own sister."

Having said this, how many 'lines' of reasoning does the average human need? It's a weird comparison perhaps but the point is does it really matter if it needs 100 or 100k 'lines', if it could hide that (just as we hide our thoughts or even can't really access the - semi-parallel - things our brain does to come to an answer) eventually and summarise it + give the correct answer, that'd be acceptable?

kaba0 · 9 months ago

The implementation details don't matter. LLMs not being able to properly reason though is a fundamental limitation and no amount of re-running will help.

kaba0 commented on QwQ: Alibaba's O1-like reasoning LLM qwenlm.github.io/blog/qwq... · Posted by u/amrrs

freediver · 9 months ago

That is a pretty dark view on almost 1/5th of humanity and a nation with a track record of giving the world important innovations: paper making, silk, porcelain, gunpowder and compass to name the few. Not everything has to be around politics.

kaba0 · 9 months ago

Nation/culture != the current regime

kaba0 commented on Show HN: Indentation-based syntax for Clojure github.com/ilevd/cwp... · Posted by u/ilevd

pieterbreed · 9 months ago

I'm sorry if I touched you on an ouchie.

> Its still homoiconic

> they can still, and in the case of the linked project, probably are turned into the exact same data structure.

What you are saying means it is not homoiconic any longer. If you print out the parsed representation of lisp code, you get back the same lisp code. If you print out the parsed representation of this whitespace code, you get back the lisp code (data) also. But this is different to what you fed into the parser.

The point of homoiconicity is that the data structure representing the code is the code itself. There's no syntax, it just represents itself. It's super simple. A programming language with syntax cannot be homoiconic. This is complexity.

> I get your objection insofar as whats the point?

"Easy" IS an argument to choose something over something else, but "simple" is a better, stronger argument. Parens syntax is simple. Whitespace syntax is easy, iff you come from/is familiar with a python-style background.

We are debating some obscure thing. The point is the argument :) I hope you have a great day.

kaba0 · 9 months ago

But it's not itself, it's an array of characters. It's AST can be represented as simply as a recursive list data structure (with a head and a tail), but I think this is a bit over-mysticized.