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jvmfjvfjvf commented on Seattle becomes first in U.S. to protect gig workers from sudden 'deactivation'   kuow.org/stories/seattle-... · Posted by u/pseudolus
qbasic_forever · 2 years ago
The commenter explicitly says to the contrary:

> Skip, on the other hand, penalizes his earnings if he falls below 80% moving average accept rate (over the last 10 orders).

jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
You're talking about a different app not Uber, which doesn't penalize per acceptance rates. Besides, I don't think you understand how these gig apps work. You can only accept or reject if you're clocked into a shift. His dad can clock in at anytime but he won't be penalized on Skip if he's not clocked in.
jvmfjvfjvf commented on Seattle becomes first in U.S. to protect gig workers from sudden 'deactivation'   kuow.org/stories/seattle-... · Posted by u/pseudolus
qbasic_forever · 2 years ago
He DOES have a boss that mandates when he needs to work--the apps penalize him if he isn't taking rides and eventually cut off his work entirely if he isn't taking them (which is the whole point of the original article and legislation in Seattle!).
jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
Absolutely wrong. There are no penalties for not working. I've done that myself. Further to equate a "boss" to an app is quite a leap.
jvmfjvfjvf commented on Seattle becomes first in U.S. to protect gig workers from sudden 'deactivation'   kuow.org/stories/seattle-... · Posted by u/pseudolus
qbasic_forever · 2 years ago
Do you realize what you're saying? Gig company A only dribbles out 8 hours of work a week so your Dad is forced to also work for gig company B, but needs flexible hours to do so.

You are completely failing to see my point--if gig company A had to employ your Dad as a part time or full time employee with guaranteed minimum wage or work hours and other benefits he wouldn't have to tetris together an insane set of gig work jobs to keep from being evicted or starved.

Your dad is forced to be an indentured servant for these companies that can't make money without exploiting people like him. And somehow you are immediately going to bat for these employers... pretty sick IMHO.

jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
"Your dad is forced to be an indentured servant for these companies"

His dad can work at anytime, anywhere and doesn't have a boss to mandate when he clocks in. How is that being an indentured servant?

jvmfjvfjvf commented on Seattle becomes first in U.S. to protect gig workers from sudden 'deactivation'   kuow.org/stories/seattle-... · Posted by u/pseudolus
Retric · 2 years ago
The underlying economics don’t change if workers are paid per gig or per hour, so the customer is unlikely to notice anything.

What changes is the information asymmetry where Uber etc knows a lot more about the conditions of people working for them than the people taking these jobs do. As a general rule those with more information are simply in a vastly better negotiating position.

jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
This is not correct. The costs of employing drivers would increase. The driver supply would go down and the price of an Uber ride would therefore increase. This is basic econ.
jvmfjvfjvf commented on Seattle becomes first in U.S. to protect gig workers from sudden 'deactivation'   kuow.org/stories/seattle-... · Posted by u/pseudolus
underwater · 2 years ago
Am I missing the sarcasm? If your brother in law is relying on Uber, then employment protections would mean he doesn't lose his sole income unfairly and without notice.

Uber argue that most gig workers are just doing it as a spur of the moment side hustle, and therefore the flexibility is necessary. But your anecdote is the opposite.

jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
That isn't how labor law works. Employees in his state are most likely at-will and can be fired without notice.

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jvmfjvfjvf commented on Amazon doesn't 'employ' drivers, but hired firms to prevent them from unionizing   vice.com/en/article/qjv3y... · Posted by u/rntn
tyree731 · 2 years ago
Would Amazon drivers unionizing cause Amazon to offshore drivers?

If Amazon drivers unionizing would cause Amazon to eliminate drivers, does that suggest unions lack strength, or that unions have strength that Amazon fears?

jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
Amazon drivers unionizing would cause Amazon to hire FedEx or DHL. Unions don't have a monopoly on drivers.
jvmfjvfjvf commented on Amazon doesn't 'employ' drivers, but hired firms to prevent them from unionizing   vice.com/en/article/qjv3y... · Posted by u/rntn
jxf · 2 years ago
You get what you pay for. UPS drivers are unionized, and Amazon's aren't.
jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
FedEx delivery drivers aren't unionized.
jvmfjvfjvf commented on Amazon doesn't 'employ' drivers, but hired firms to prevent them from unionizing   vice.com/en/article/qjv3y... · Posted by u/rntn
oldjim69 · 2 years ago
Nothing shows the power of unions more than the lengths companies go to fight them.

In a Union there is Strength.

jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
What strength do they have? Unions routinely cause jobs to be eliminated and offshored.
jvmfjvfjvf commented on CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alphabet and Microsoft   southernillinoisnow.com/2... · Posted by u/pg_1234
Quarrelsome · 2 years ago
can we argue carbon footprint?
jvmfjvfjvf · 2 years ago
A tank is 1 mpg. I am guessing they are not driving more than 1 or 2 miles on an excursion. This is hardly harmful to the environment compared to other entertainment options.

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