johnnyworker (u/johnnyworker)

johnnyworker commented on ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire apnews.com/article/israel... · Posted by u/xbar

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

> They just asked Israel to try hard to minimize damage, which they already demonstrated they do.

Where, other than with mere hand waving? How did they explain away blowing courts and universities with rigged explosives? Soldiers bragging about "occupation, expulsion, settlement, annexiation"? All the talk about how there are no civilians in Gaza? How many people who said that has Israel prosecuted so far?

johnnyworker commented on ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire apnews.com/article/israel... · Posted by u/xbar

kevingadd · 2 years ago

"brainwashing" is a term that's going to unavoidably turn this conversation in a bad direction, it might be best not to use it here. There are less inflammatory ways to describe what's happening in that tweet.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

Here's Gideon Levy explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZQf-YSgPto

I changed it to "indoctrination". Which is a more polite word that doesn't really do it justice, but it's not really important because the result, the inability to even meaningfully interact with the charges, is a constant.

As George Orwell put it, from the totalitarian perspective history is something to be created, rather than learned. Or as Robert Antelme described a concentration camp guard: "trapped in the machinery of his own myth". I just cannot find a flattering way to describe these things, there just is no material to work with for that.

johnnyworker commented on ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire apnews.com/article/israel... · Posted by u/xbar

smoothjazz · 2 years ago

It explicitly says they must stop killing Palestinians. None of their current military tactics satisfy this demand.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

This goes beyond military tactics:

> Leading propaganda machine and former Member of Knesset Einat Wilf suggests that the Israeli government should allow aid into Gaza officially, but unofficially let "protesters" to block all aid from entering the Strip. I think that's actually kinda what happened today.

-- https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/175021647115263591...

> The Gaon Rabbi Dov Lior Shalita in a halachic ruling: Citizens must prevent the entry of Hamas trucks even on Shabbat, because equipping and supplying the enemy is a war act that must be stopped from the point of view of human control.

-- https://twitter.com/Torat_IDF/status/1750600997745959279

Probably a terrible translation but the point is clear, incitement and impunity, and the results are predictable.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/protesters-prev...

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/gaza/prote...

Yesterday, 0 trucks could enter Gaza, the day before that 9 out of 60, don't know about today. Note that under the convention against genocide, Israel is required to prosecute genocidal speech, much less such genocidal acts (apart from not committing them of course). Instead, as Yoav Gallant just posted this on Twitter:

> The State of Israel does not need need to be lectured on morality in order to distinguish between terrorists and the civilian population in Gaza. The ICJ went above and beyond, when it granted South Africa's antisemitic request to discuss the claim of genocide in Gaza.

... which is as good a summary as any for what you find at every corner with this: not just the unwillingness to learn, but the inability to even comprehend any of this. When Gideon Levy talks about the incredible depth of Israeli indoctrination, he isn't kidding, and he's not exaggerating.

johnnyworker commented on Jon Stewart Returns to 'The Daily Show' wsj.com/arts-culture/tele... · Posted by u/impish9208

whalesalad · 2 years ago

Jon Stewart is the most legendary late night type host we have ever had.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

I have never seen something like his appearance on Crossfire on TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

And here is him speaking to Congress over their shameful handling of benefits for 9/11 responders. Nuff said?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uYpDC3SRpM

johnnyworker commented on Columbia clashes with students doused with IDF chemical weapon at Gaza rally theintercept.com/2024/01/... · Posted by u/gojiberries

jfengel · 2 years ago

The IDF was not involved.

Supposedly, it was a chemical weapon, supposedly also used by the IDF. There's a lot of "supposedly" here because TFA has very few facts -- it's not even clear if anybody was actually "doused" with anything.

If there was in fact a chemical weapon attack, it is available in the US and was presumably sourced from there.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

> it's not even clear if anybody was actually "doused" with anything.

It's very obvious that media, the university and politicians look the other way because of the content of the protests that were attacked. If Muslims sprayed protesters at a pro-Israel rally with chemical weapons, they would be in jail that same day, and budgets for terrorism prevention would bloat all across the nation. That's not even a question. Instead we have faculty actually calling attempts to identify the perpetrators as "doxxing", while continuing to smear people. That plus the tacit approval in form of a wall of silence is all brown shirts need to do their thing.

just from one account:

> 72 hours since i was sprayed w/ skunk on campus: zero appetite, keep on throwing up, and i feel terrible. very fatigued and having trouble sleeping. skunk has not come out of my hair after 11 showers.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1749523794803257616

> amazing how we have to document our own hospitalizations, beg columbia university to investigate, identify the ppl who did it, & people still don’t believe us. I wish we were joking y’all, this has been a nightmare.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1749670357651366303

> fascinating how faculty members at this university are so quick to rebrand after inciting violence against arab, muslim, & palestinian students for months. We warned y’all for months that your words have consequences. I was telling admin & faculty about how they needed to be careful with their language since November. Sent dozens of emails & filed numerous reports while grieving my family in Gaza. Now eight students are hospitalized. Dozens are injured.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1749675386563146034

> almost 96 hours since I was sprayed w/ skunk on campus: skin is still burning. very dizzy and nauseous. turned in items for police evidence & having to throw away the rest. i finally got 6 hours of sleep. skunk water sticks to any fabric & cannot be washed out.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1749865142399992236

> Columbia University promised that the students who attacked us with chemical weapons are banned from campus. They’re still here & coming to @Columbia’s campus, according to student accounts. No arrests have been made, we’ve been left in the dark.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1750185681790337324

> here he is, going right up to protest attendees to harass them. this attacker is supposed to have been “banned from campus” but students are still seeing him @Columbia. Ten students have been hospitalized now and our attackers are still on campus.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1750195190084575712

> 120 hours since I was sprayed with skunk on campus: skin is still burning. hard to sleep for long periods bc it burns so bad. skunk is still in hair, after 12 showers. had some luck using a HEPA air purifier in my room & using charcoal soap but still dealing w/ bad symptoms.

-- https://twitter.com/itslaylas/status/1750247913115021450

johnnyworker commented on Show HN: Bernard – a link checker for your website bernard.app... · Posted by u/sph

gtirloni · 2 years ago

Does anyone know a good open source tool for checking broken links? I've used get/curl with scripts but it's fragile.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

I still haven't found a good modern equivalent to http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html

johnnyworker commented on Houthi anti-ship missile systems: getting better all the time iiss.org/online-analysis/... · Posted by u/nradov

Protostome · 2 years ago

Your perspective seems to skim the surface of a deeper issue. Let's be direct: what should a country do when 1,200 of its citizens are brutally killed? This isn't just theoretical; it's a grim reality that demands a firm response. Criticizing from the sidelines is easy when you're not offering solutions.

The claim of Lebensraum is far-fetched. Israel withdrew from Gaza nearly two decades ago. This conflict isn't about land; it's about security. For Hamas, even Tel Aviv is considered a settlement.

Regarding journalists: incidents have occurred, but suggesting systematic targeting oversimplifies the complexities and dangers inherent in conflict zones. Not every unfortunate event is part of a larger scheme.

The genocide accusation often seems politically motivated, used by pro-Palestinian groups. This rhetoric can trivialize historical genocides, which were real and horrific. I'm not denying civilian casualties in the conflict, but to say Palestinians are systematically dehumanized, discriminated against, and persecuted is an overstatement. If Palestinians committed to disarmament and ceased targeting civilians, peace could be achievable very quickly.

Consider what would happen if Israel laid down its arms. We saw a hint of this on October 7th. The situation is complex, and simplistic narratives don't capture the reality on the ground.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

> what should a country do when 1,200 of its citizens are brutally killed?

Post people with guns on the borders. Investigate what caused the extremely sluggish response by the IDF, too.

Don't use it as an excuse for war crimes and ethnic cleansing, while talking about the hostages that are paraded around as an objective in public, as "pawns" to be sacrificed behind closed doors.

https://twitter.com/UncapturedNews/status/174516348183630682...

While IDF soldiers make TikToks literally showing off and bragging about war crimes, in the hundreds by now, given licence by hundreds of people from highest ranks of politicians to generals to "journalist" talking about how there are no innocent people, no civilians in Gaza, just "human animals" and so on. And how everyone who talks back is a Hamas supporter and/or antisemitic.

In a self-righteous fury that gets worse, no less. Which isn't explained by grief over a past event or even a knee-jerk "security" reaction, but rather by the increasing guilt: people painting themselves into a corner by running away from crimes they already committed by doubling down on them, and projecting the guilt as hatred onto those who call it out. That's as old as criminals and mobs, and it leads to war crimes in Gaza just as predictably as it emboldens settlers in the West Bank to up attacks, as it does to attacks on people elsewhere:

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/22/columbia-university-pale...

> Regarding journalists: incidents have occurred

That way one can dismiss anything. "brutally killed", "grim reality" on the one hand, "incidents", "oversimplification" and "politically motivated rhetoric that trivializes real and horrific genocides" on the other.

https://rsf.org/en/israeli-politicians-call-journalists-gaza...

and don't forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh

> On October 26, 2023, a memorial erected at the site of her killing was bulldozed by the Israeli army during a raid.

And this is how they acted during her funeral: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11CVGz7toM

These are not mere "incidents", they're a criminal habit.

> This rhetoric can trivialize historical genocides, which were real and horrific.

As if this one isn't real or horrific?

https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue...

"This is the highest share of people facing high levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country."

The last number I heard was that 80% of the catastrophically hungry people in the world right now are in Gaza.

Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal says it's a "textbook case of genocide". Omer Bartov says it might be genocide, but that there are "clear signs of ethnic cleansing" and likely war crimes. To just shrug them and many more off as politically motivated or skimming the surface seems ironic.

> If Palestinians [..] ceased targeting civilians

What does that even mean? As if all Palestinians, instead of starving and freezing, are still holding a rifle pointed at civilians, while IDF soldiers hell bent on keeping innocent people from getting hurt say "drop the weapon"?

Collective punishment is a crime. Nothing you said and nothing anyone could say justifies it.

johnnyworker commented on Gaza and the End of Western Fantasy time.com/6553708/gaza-end... · Posted by u/jacooper

tptacek · 2 years ago

Right, but you didn't simply say it; you said it emotively and with implications about good faith from the other side. It's your call, I'm not the boss of you, but I think you two are probably wasting your time at this point. 7 days! That's a very old thread.

johnnyworker · 2 years ago

If someone ignores what I say over and over and over again, no matter how I rephrase the point I was making all along, I no longer assume good faith, no. The goal at that point isn't to convince them, but to end it without letting the last word be another falsehood. Seems that last comment did the trick, so.