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jappgar commented on AI code and software craft   alexwennerberg.com/blog/2... · Posted by u/alexwennerberg
hackyhacky · 13 days ago
You give examples where crafts based on pre-industrial technology still exist. You're right, but you're proving the GP's point.

200 years ago, being a blacksmith was a viable career path. Now it's not. The use of hand tools, hand knitting, and hand forging is limited to niche, exotic, or hobbyist areas. The same could be said of making clothes by hand or developing film photographs. Coding will be relegated to the same purgatory: not completely forgotten, but considered an obsolete eccentricity. Effectively all software will be made by AI. Students will not study coding, the knowledge of our generation will be lost.

jappgar · 13 days ago
I doubt hobbyists would describe their hobby as purgatory.

I doubt the laborer would describe their toil as "craft".

jappgar commented on AI code and software craft   alexwennerberg.com/blog/2... · Posted by u/alexwennerberg
storystarling · 13 days ago
The practical limit is the latency and inference cost. A full planning and validation loop burns a lot of tokens, and waiting for that cycle breaks flow compared to just writing the code.
jappgar · 13 days ago
Only if your flow is writing the actual code.

If you flow state involves elaborating complimentary specifications in parallel, it's marvelous

jappgar commented on AI code and software craft   alexwennerberg.com/blog/2... · Posted by u/alexwennerberg
trollbridge · 13 days ago
Yet replacing walking with cars is often cited as one of the reasons for many of society's ills.
jappgar · 13 days ago
Yet no one seriously declares motor vehicles as useless.
jappgar commented on Nightshade: Make images unsuitable for model training   nightshade.cs.uchicago.ed... · Posted by u/homebrewer
daeken · a month ago
> Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

175 years of history would disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

jappgar · a month ago
That old saw. Downvote all you want. Adversarial engineering does indeed rely on obscurity, they just don't tell you that.
jappgar commented on Total monthly number of StackOverflow questions over time   data.stackexchange.com/st... · Posted by u/maartin0
nospice · a month ago
Right. I often end up on Stack Exchange when researching various engineering-related topics, and I'm always blown away by how incredibly toxic the threads are. We get small glimpses of that on HN, but it was absolutely out of control on Stack Exchange.

At the same time, I think there was another factor: at some point, the corpus of answered questions has grown to a point where you no longer needed to ask, because by default, Google would get you to the answer page. LLMs were just a cherry on top.

jappgar · a month ago
It's funny that people blame the site for this.

That toxicity is just part of software engineering culture. It's everywhere.

jappgar commented on Nightshade: Make images unsuitable for model training   nightshade.cs.uchicago.ed... · Posted by u/homebrewer
oth001 · a month ago
Doesn't mean artists should make it easy for these AI companies to steal artist IP. It doesn't take long to do and seems effective enough from what I've seen. BTW This is how cybersecurity works (cat and mouse etc)
jappgar · a month ago
Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

This is just grandstanding. Half the people from this lab will go on to work for AI companies.

jappgar commented on Nightshade: Make images unsuitable for model training   nightshade.cs.uchicago.ed... · Posted by u/homebrewer
vidarh · a month ago
> We’ve seen this arms race before and know who wins. It’s all snake oil imo

It's kinda funny in a way because effectively they're helping iron out ways in which these models "see" differently to humans. Every escalation will in the end just help make the models more robust...

That they are disclosing the tools rather than e.g. creating a network service makes this even easier.

jappgar · a month ago
And now you know the only reason these labs get any funding.

It's all to benefit industry, whether the academics realize it or not.

jappgar commented on Nightshade: Make images unsuitable for model training   nightshade.cs.uchicago.ed... · Posted by u/homebrewer
YeGoblynQueenne · a month ago
>> We’ve seen this arms race before and know who wins. It’s all snake oil imo

I haven't and I don't know who wins. Who wins?

Adversarial examples aren't snake oil, if that's what you meant. There's a rich literature on both producing and bypassing them that has accumulated over the years, but while I haven't kept abreast with it, my recollection is that the bottom line is like that for online security: there's never a good reason not to make sure your system is up to date and protected from attacks, even if there exist attacks that can bypass any defense.

Where in this case attack and defense can both describe what artists want to do with their work.

jappgar · a month ago
In an arms race, the party with the most money always wins.

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jappgar commented on AWS CEO says replacing junior devs with AI is 'one of the dumbest ideas'   finalroundai.com/blog/aws... · Posted by u/birdculture
alexgotoi · 2 months ago
The thing people miss in these “replace juniors with AI” takes is that juniors were never mainly about cheap hands on keyboards. They’re the only people in the org who are still allowed to ask “dumb” questions without losing face, and those questions are often the only signal you get that your abstractions are nonsense.

What AI does is remove a bunch of the humiliating, boring parts of being junior: hunting for the right API by cargo-culting Stack Overflow, grinding through boilerplate, getting stuck for hours on a missing import. If a half-decent model can collapse that search space for them, you get to spend more of their ramp time on “here’s how our system actually fits together” instead of “here’s how for-loops work in our house style”.

If you take that setup and then decide “cool, now we don’t need juniors at all”, you’re basically saying you want a company with no memory and no farm system – just an ever-shrinking ring of seniors arguing about strategy while no one actually grows into them.

Always love to include a good AI x work thread in my https://hackernewsai.com/ newsletter.

jappgar · 2 months ago
I generally agree with you but AI confusion is also a good signal your abstractions are nonsense.

One problem there is that people would rather believe the AI is "dumb" than face the facts.

u/jappgar

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