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GianFabien · 9 months ago

I can't bring myself to like or to learn Zig syntax. BUT I do appreciate the cross-compilation capabilities of Zig and use it with C source codes. I find the Zig way of supporting multiple instruction sets and run-time environments simpler to grok than the GCC/Clang approach.

One day, I might use the Zig tooling to translate my C sources to Zig sources and continue development in Zig from that point forwards.

jakeStbu · 9 months ago

Yeah building a C cross compiler can certainly be a pain. I do feel like basically every Zig improvement over C also exists with Rust, though, including, yes, ease of cross compilation.

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troymc · 9 months ago

In some ways, Zig is simpler than C, it's true, but it also adds some nice things.

For example, Zig introduces a robust error handling mechanism (try, catch, return err) that eliminates the need for exceptions or manual error checking via return codes (if (ret < 0)).

Also, Zig includes its own build system (zig build) and package management. This removes the need for external tools like make, cmake, or third-party dependency managers. Everything is integrated and works cross-platform out of the box.

You wondered why getting rid of macros was a good idea...

Zig allows compile-time function execution (CTFE) as a core language feature. This replaces the need for macros in many cases. While C macros are powerful, they are also error-prone and hard to debug. Zig's comptime feature allows you to write functions that run during compilation, offering the same benefits but with stronger type safety and clearer error messages.

jakeStbu · 9 months ago

I see. Better error handling could perhaps be something that C can improve, yes, especially as compared to things like errno (which yes is technically not C specific but rather Linux specific, but it would be good to have a layer of abstraction over this). I can see why Zig Build may be useful - does it have any major advantages over something like, say, Rust's Cargo? I personally find that to be quite powerful. CTFE does sound like it could be easier to debug, but it sounds significantly less powerful and I don't think that it's necessarily worth it in many cases.

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troymc · 9 months ago

Maybe ask ChatGPT?

jakeStbu · 9 months ago

ChatGPT is not particularly smart and tends to generate answers which should not be trusted. Of course, I have done Google searches before this, but most of them just point to the same answer - "It's C but simpler".