Ironic, since if there are a bunch of people in my boat, the lack of us in jj's user base will make it that much harder for jj to cross the "popular enough to be worth supporting" threshold.
Ironic, since if there are a bunch of people in my boat, the lack of us in jj's user base will make it that much harder for jj to cross the "popular enough to be worth supporting" threshold.
When we started graphite.dev years ago that was a workflow most developers had never heard of unless they had previously been at FB / Google.
Fun to see how fast code review can change over 3-4yrs :)
you state that users don't 'have to use ANY of our AI features' — does that mean you have an opt-out toggle that fully hides any mention of it (e.g. in your 'AI-powered PR page')? if so, how long will that stick around? how long will your core products remain unsullied once your investors start to pressure you to push AI more? these sort of concerns around long term direction keep myself and others from adopting graphite.
we have a number of large customers that feel the same way and are fully opted out of anything AI-related.
in my experience, our foremost goal is bring graphite to more people. i have seen many cases where folks get us in the door with diamond and then begin championing stacking which leads to a ton of organic spread that it otherwise may not get.
we have seen a ton more signal that ai is the easier way to get more committed folks in the door than signal that we are losing potential customers over having it as an option. if that were not true, we probably would not have gone in this direction.
i would love for graphite-lovers to make more noise about stacking as well and see no reason it can't happen in parallel - every month i see more and more conversations about stacking happening in the wild, and more and more of them reference us directly!
for anyone that's looking for a no-fluff stacked diff tool to replace Graphite, i've found https://abhinav.github.io/git-spice/ to be solid
the core problem that stacked diffs and that adding AI to the PR page solve are the same — code reviews slow devs down and force unnecessary context switching.
stacked prs help you get around this by allowing you to manage your work in way that makes it easier to organize in an author and easier to deal with as a reviewer. AI can help you get around this by making it easier to review PRs when you open the page, and save you the context switch of going back to your editor to make a tweak that a reviewer suggests.
Graphite has always been about shortening the cycle time and reducing the amount of busy work from writing code to getting it merged, and we'll continue building features that speed up that cycle.
the best part is — you can still pay for Graphite, and you don't have to use ANY of our AI features. we're still constantly shipping improvements to our CLI, optimizing our merge queue for our larger enterprise deployments, continually working on making the PR page more modern and easier to use than GitHub's and working with the same customers that we have since the beginning to do so.
would love to hear what you think we can do better to address your needs
This is one of the strengths I appreciate about graphite which is that the PRs are always on the preceding branch but it knows that when you go to merge it should actually really retarget and merge against main.
Yeah – the key thing here is that there is work to be done on the server, so JJ likely either needs its own forge or a GitHub App that handles managing PRs for each JJ commit.
I'm a huge fan of the JJ paradigm – this is something I'd love for us to be able to do in the future once one or both of: - we have more bandwidth to go down this road - JJ is popular enough that its worthwhile for us to do
That said I'd also love to see if anyone in the community comes up with an elegant GH app for this!!
I know this is probably not something you can divulge but I look forward to how your team at Graphite plans to solve this! (Would also love your personal take!)
We're adding an agentic chat sidebar to the pull request that can help you gather context to understand a PR and make pre-merge changes without needing to leave the PR page. Open beta next week.
We're only going to spend more and more time looking at diffs as the amount of them increases, so the tools that we use here need to evolve as well. "AI code review" should be an interactive experience that directly builds on how code is reviewed today, not just a bot that comments on your PRs.
"Code review" as defined as a human in the loop getting the final say on whether a change will be made to the system will be the absolute last thing to go. That process may look very different as both the inputs massively increase in scale and the methods get disrupted by AI.
(i'm the lead engineer on diamond)
I've played with git town which is great for what it is.
But at $DAYJOB we are now all on graphite and that stacking is super neat. The web part is frustratingly slow, but they got stacking working really well.