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iliketosleep commented on Who Is Being Monitored?   tutanota.com/blog/posts/w... · Posted by u/upofadown
trutannus · 5 years ago
You're basically saying that you've been caught up in some surveillance dragnet/watch list, and that you have no proof but think it is for for using ProtonMail on a government website.

When your payment was declined, the company 1) had access to this watch list that you're on, 2) was able to share with you that you were on a watch list, and 3) you were able to figure out why this is. This sounds very unbelievable to me. The data that comes from programs like this isn't generally being passed around to businesses, and if it is, the support folks are not going to be in the know.

It still sounds more like you're being hit by algorithmic blacklisting than that you're on some secret not-secret blacklist. That, or you got added to a public sector blacklist, by some security company because you use ProtonMail which has issues with abuse by fraudsters.

iliketosleep · 5 years ago
No, you've misconstrued what I've said. I am not implying that the payment being declined by a merchant is anything related to the government. Nor am I implying that the government shared my information with any company. Nor I am on any kind of blacklist (at least that I'm aware of). Read my original post, they are two separate issues.
iliketosleep commented on Who Is Being Monitored?   tutanota.com/blog/posts/w... · Posted by u/upofadown
wolverine876 · 5 years ago
These sound like common blacklist-style defenses. As examples, mail services use RBLs to prevent spam, Cloudflare services often require captchas from Tor exit node IP addresses, many websites decline signups from throwaway email addresses like Mailinator. Credit card companies use various indicators to prevent fraud.

I'm not saying these measures are perfect or fair, but they are not related to government (though government may also use them); they are just obvious ways to prevent unwanted activity such as spam, fraud, hacking attacks, etc.

> Their AI determined that people using particular email providers need to be watched

How do you know that government has concluded 'particular providers need to be watched', and that the decision was performed by an AI?

> for using a privacy focused email address when signing up for services operated by a government entity

How do you know the cause?

iliketosleep · 5 years ago
The type of monitoring used was disclosed as was the "likely cause" of me being flagged. This wasn't a secretive kind of thing. Of course one can't "know" anything as it's a black-box. But it's not a stretch to see how such systems may conclude, from automated profiling, that users of privacy-centric services are more likely to be associated with fraud and hence flagged. This also represents a more general issue with the application of machine learning.
iliketosleep commented on Who Is Being Monitored?   tutanota.com/blog/posts/w... · Posted by u/upofadown
iliketosleep · 5 years ago
I am being monitored for using a privacy focused email address when signing up for services operated by a government entity. Yep, it happens. Their AI determined that people using particular email providers need to be watched. Not only that, I have had payments mysteriously fail with big online merchants, and after following it up through multiple layers of support I was told that particular email services are automatically flagged. You can guess which ones.

Now what do I do? Avoid privacy-focused email addresses for anything in daily life. It seems to be a battle that cannot be won.

iliketosleep commented on A woman who took on Google and won   bbc.com/news/technology-5... · Posted by u/evo_9
naikrovek · 5 years ago
it is low. over the course of my career I have witnessed skilled people earn less and less, almost always for the sake of "shareholder value" (more generally called "profit" at smaller places) and it is sickening.

when I was very young, one could be promoted simply by demonstrating a willingness to learn and be better when others were not. now, if you are not doing at least that, you are not considered for a raise.

last year I got a perfect yearly evaluation, and a 0.6% raise, which equaled inflation for the same year.

a raise is supposed to be a raise. a reward. incentive to continue the good work.

it used to be that if you could perform well that you were rewarded. now, if you perform well, you stay afloat. that's it.

I really hate this planet because of things like this. if humans were a decent species, money would not work it's way toward people who already have more.

honestly, I can't wait to be done with this life. the black abyss is better than working harder than anyone else simply to keep your head above water.

iliketosleep · 5 years ago
Under the thin veneer of civilized society it's still the law of the jungle; while our civilization may have become advanced, our DNA hasn't caught up. We are programmed to blindly accumulate as much as possible, because for most of our evolutionary history scarcity and disaster was always just around the corner. In modern times, it translates into those who already hold positions of wealth and power going for even more, at the expensive of everyone else. This has in turn been amplified by technology and globalization.

Having said that, historically we're still at a "high point". It's a cold comfort, but still..

iliketosleep commented on How people learn to become resilient (2016)   newyorker.com/science/mar... · Posted by u/singold
oceanplexian · 5 years ago
I would argue that privilege comes in other forms than wealth, and at a certain point no amount of wealth might make up for a rough childhood, or broken relationships, and those things can drive people too. Some people don’t work 70-hour weeks because of the money, or even because they enjoy it, but because on some level they are broken and it’s an acceptable “addiction” that lets them avoid confronting their inner demons
iliketosleep · 5 years ago
You make a good point. It's interesting how people seem to automatically equate hard work as automatically being a positive (or even as some kind of morality). In reality, without fully understanding an individual's true motivations, it's hard to make any kind of proper judgement.
iliketosleep commented on Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board   reuters.com/article/idUSL... · Posted by u/samizdis
postpawl · 5 years ago
“death of entire industries”

What industry?

Maybe we need to open a gigantic can of worms that “runs counter to globalization” if we’re talking about sending those jobs to countries with unethical working conditions.

iliketosleep · 5 years ago
> What industry?

There are many examples in the manufacturing industry, though unions aren't the only factor.

> Maybe we need to open a gigantic can of worms that “runs counter to globalization” if we’re talking about sending those jobs to countries with unethical working conditions.

I couldn't agree more, the problem is there are powerful interests that will keep trying to sweep this issue under the rug.

iliketosleep commented on Elon Musk’s anti-union tweet from 2018 must be deleted: U.S. labor board   reuters.com/article/idUSL... · Posted by u/samizdis
door100 · 5 years ago
Even if all of these were true (I would describe most of them as a mischaracterization at best), do you honestly think that outweighs everything that I described? The worst thing that people can say about unions is they are bureaucratic and inconvenient. The worst things people can say about, say, working conditions in many non-unionized American workplaces are far, far worse. People dying, unfairly losing their job (and healthcare, and home), working incredibly long hours, unable to see their kid, unable to get adequate sleep, etc etc etc. I happen to think there are values other than "workers producing profit for their employers as efficiently as possible at the expense of anything else"
iliketosleep · 5 years ago
> The worst thing that people can say about unions is they are bureaucratic and inconvenient.

I disagree. Unions can lead to the death of entire industries - I have seen it with my own eyes. Inefficiencies created by unions lead to jobs going to places where such unions do not exist. Personally, I do believe the workers need to be protected, but if you protect workers then you also need to protect industries, and this opens a gigantic can of worms as it runs counter to globalization and free trade.

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iliketosleep commented on What can we tell from the evolution of Han Chinese names?   kontinentalist.com/storie... · Posted by u/cossatot
wodenokoto · 5 years ago
> Daughters too are expected to be “excellent” (佳, jia1—with the “man” radical)

It was my understanding that 人 was “man” as in “person” (gender neutral) and not “man” as in male.

Is the author wrong or have I been applying modern PC standards to my language study?

iliketosleep · 5 years ago
The article explains it perfectly: Understandably, male names still do not spot the “woman” radical (女, nü). 女 explicitly refers to women, whereas the “man” radical (亻, ren2) is more flexible, as it refers to humans.

This is also consistent with my understanding. On a cultural note, many ppl call Westerners with PC leanings “白左” and view the PC movement as a bit ridiculous. So definitely don’t apply modern PC standards to China.

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