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hnarn commented on Lucky 13: a look at Debian trixie lwn.net/Articles/1033474/... · Posted by u/signa11

pkulak · 5 days ago

It’s out of date, feature wise, but should have all the security updates, I believe.

hnarn · 4 days ago

Of course, and it was sloppy of me to call it "out of date", that goes for all serious Linux distributions with official life cycles, the "official" packages provided follow the life cycle of the distribution. This is a very common gripe with security scanners that flag "old" versions of Apache and the like within a supported OS release, they only look at the apparent version of Apache, not what security patches have actually been installed -- because it would, of course, be completely incorrect to increment the actual version of the software for backported fixes.

hnarn commented on Lucky 13: a look at Debian trixie lwn.net/Articles/1033474/... · Posted by u/signa11

ggm · 6 days ago

Does it have BBR3? Serious q. Have tried home-brew kernels for bookworm but want factory paint on the car.

hnarn · 6 days ago

As far as I know, BBR3 is not in the mainline Linux kernel, so obviously it will not be in Debian by default.

From https://groups.google.com/g/bbr-dev/c/i-sZpfwPx-I/m/0jmNry0A... :

> To make sure we're all on the same page: currently the TCP BBR code in Linux is BBRv1. We are working on getting BBRv3 upstream into Linux TCP.

> BBRv1 is definitely not ready to be the default on any Linux distribution. Whether BBRv3 is ready to be a distribution default is arguable.

hnarn commented on Lucky 13: a look at Debian trixie lwn.net/Articles/1033474/... · Posted by u/signa11

cricalix · 6 days ago

I've been happy with Fedora for my personal systems, and it's the only blessed distro at work for those who don't want Windows or Mac.

Heck, I use Fedora Server as my homelab OS to run Incus. Works For Me.

hnarn · 6 days ago

> Heck, I use Fedora Server as my homelab OS to run Incus. Works For Me.

In your case I guess it makes sense since you have to run Fedora at work, but I was under the impression that the support for Incus (i.e. official packaging etc) was better on Debian.

hnarn commented on Lucky 13: a look at Debian trixie lwn.net/Articles/1033474/... · Posted by u/signa11

goku12 · 6 days ago

> On the desktop though they are a bit too stable.

You're obviously correct here. But perhaps there are users who prefer stable packages on the desktop too. Corporate users most likely (yes, there are such users too). It helps with their security strategy and a development environment similar to their server.

To be very honest, I think the stable security-oriented approach is better than that of a rapid update distro. You should probably use an overlay package manager like flatpak, mise (for dev tools) or even Nix/Guix for anything modern. Preferably something with minimal installs and good sandboxing features. Please let us know if anybody has better suggestions to offer.

hnarn · 6 days ago

> On the desktop though they are a bit too stable.

>> You're obviously correct here.

It's neither obvious nor correct, the "stability vs. features" expected is completely subjective. I run Debian Stable on my desktop because I've almost never encountered needing newer versions of anything, and when I did I could usually jump to testing (i.e. the upcoming release) rather than unstable, and even then the next release usually wasn't that far away, so it was still very stable.

As other commenters have pointed out, you can run Debian Sid (unstable), but I'll also agree that if that is what you want long-term then maybe running something like Arch makes more sense anyway.

hnarn commented on Lucky 13: a look at Debian trixie lwn.net/Articles/1033474/... · Posted by u/signa11

12345ieee · 6 days ago

Yeah, the distro for "Truly adventurous users" has never broken in a decade of use by myself and is essentially as bleeding edge as Arch.

It's just old ideas that get repeated even once they stop being true.

hnarn · 6 days ago

Just to be devil's advocate here, and pedantically point out that Debian Sid is not a "distro", I don't think it's correct to say that Debian unstable is "actually stable", because it's "unstable" from the perspective of Debian, not from a subjective, individual experience.

Debian release cycles have a strong focus on stability, and for those situations where it matters, like running a production server, that is a pretty important feature. Just because your desktop never broke doesn't mean it's not "unstable", it's more of a disclaimer that if you put serious things on top of it and it breaks, that's much more on you because you chose to go against maintainer advice.

For me personally, with exception of the Enterprise Linux family (Alma, Rocky etc.), there's no Linux distribution I'd rather run on a workhorse, production, long term deployment server than Debian.

hnarn commented on Lucky 13: a look at Debian trixie lwn.net/Articles/1033474/... · Posted by u/signa11

scorpioxy · 6 days ago

Installed trixie a few days ago and test driving it and it's been going very well. Coming from Ubuntu so it wasn't a big change but initially I went with Ubuntu many years ago due to its reputation in making Debian a more user-friendly distribution. I can say that my experience with trixie was quite friendly. This may have been the case for a few releases but I was invested in the Ubuntu platform so didn't see the need to switch.

Was bummed to see firefox at version 128 as I've been missing features from the more recent versions. I don't know how I'm going to address that yet as I prefer not to add external apt sources, if I can. This is on a desktop system so somewhat recent versions of software is desirable.

What do other people do for desktop systems? Go with testing/unstable or just another distro for desktops?

hnarn · 6 days ago

> bummed to see firefox at version 128

I believe that is because Debian ships Firefox "Extended Support Release" (ESR) as a security precaution, and the firefox-esr package[1] is quite out of date in absolute terms.

If you want the newest Firefox (not ESR), just add Mozilla's own repo instead: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/4-reasons-to-try-mozilla...

[1]: https://packages.debian.org/trixie/firefox-esr

hnarn commented on Debian 13 arrives with major updates for Linux users – what's new in 'Trixie' zdnet.com/article/debian-... · Posted by u/CrankyBear

Telaneo · 21 days ago

Most people I've heard from who want 'Ubuntu, but without the 'bs' end up on Mint, since there you get the benefits of Ubuntu, but without all the stuff nobody actually wants, rather than 'not Ubuntu to begin with'.

I guess if you like Gnome that doesn't really apply, since that isn't availible easily on Mint, but Gnome is one of the reasons I didn't want Ubuntu.

hnarn · 21 days ago

My experience is that the only concrete "benefit of Ubuntu" is that ZFS ships pre-compiled as a kernel module instead of having to be compiled on upgrade, other than that I am not sure what benefits Ubuntu provide on desktop over Debian.

Saying that Debian is "not Ubuntu to begin with" is of course technically true, but the similarities are so large that I have a hard time seeing anyone would have much of an issue switching, Ubuntu is and always has been based on Debian.

On servers, my experience is that Ubuntu is, while not "better", far more common, simply because of the fact that they have a more clear and understandable paid support plan, which I guess makes sense. Not that most users bother to pay for it anyway, but at least it's there if you end up with an EOL system you can't decom.

hnarn commented on Debian 13 arrives with major updates for Linux users – what's new in 'Trixie' zdnet.com/article/debian-... · Posted by u/CrankyBear

mvdtnz · 21 days ago

He's right though.

hnarn · 21 days ago

Right about what? That Fedora integrates changes quicker than Debian? Yes they do, because that is a big part of why Fedora exists.

hnarn commented on Debian 13 arrives with major updates for Linux users – what's new in 'Trixie' zdnet.com/article/debian-... · Posted by u/CrankyBear

gardaani · 21 days ago

Debian Trixie drops 32-bit x86 support. Ubuntu dropped 32-bit support already earlier, which meant that lightweight Lubuntu and Xubuntu don't support it either. It's sad to see old hardware support getting dropped like that. They are still good machines as servers and desktop terminals.

Are there any good Linux distros left with 32-bit x86 support? Do I have to switch to NetBSD?

hnarn · 21 days ago

> Are there any good Linux distros left with 32-bit x86 support?

I would rather be surprised if there isn't. I think antiX is one option,[1] PuppyLinux and probably Alpine Linux.

[1]: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/will-antix-24-suppor...

hnarn commented on Impoverished streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy theguardian.com/film/2025... · Posted by u/beardyw

hnarn · 21 days ago

We already had this debate back in the early naughts when services like Napster and Kazaa were widely used. They provided a very obvious benefit, and it wasn't just that music was free, it provided you with MP3 files that you could use on your MP3 player. For years and years, record companies just refused to sell digital music.

These days, I don't know a single person that pirates music. The answer why is pretty simple, Spotify or Apple Music or whatever they use is "good enough", so they use that one service and it's _way_ easier than pirating MP3s and transferring them manually.

So why do people pirate movies and TV shows? Literally because it is, in fact, easier. There's no reason it has to be, but as long as it is, people will keep doing it.

South Park pretty much nailed it with their episode on the water park filled with piss, I don't blame people for not wanting to pay for 10 different streaming services where 5% of the content is of acceptable quality.