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hbn commented on Pixel 10 Phones   blog.google/products/pixe... · Posted by u/gotmedium
curun1r · 3 days ago
> almost everyone who says they want a smaller phone will just buy a larger one anyway

The problem is that smaller phones are usually fundamentally flawed in ways that aren’t about the smaller screen. Whether it’s a worse CPU, worse camera or smaller battery, people are almost never making their purchasing decision based on screen size with all else being equal. I don’t think we can conclude that most people who ask for a smaller screen don’t really want one because many just don’t want a slow phone that takes worse photos and dies by midafternoon.

I think there needs to be a recognition that bigger screens aren’t only about the bigger screens. They’re also about giving phone designers more internal space to cram in components and a larger battery.

hbn · 3 days ago
The iPhone minis were the first one to not sacrifice on those things, except for battery life compared to other iPhones. Same great display tech as the normal sized iPhone of that year, same SoC, same camera.

Even with the smaller battery, iOS is so aggressive with background tasks anyway, the iPhone 12 mini was my first iPhone and I got better battery life with it than any of my Androids I used over the span of a decade, even giant ones like the Nexus 6P, despite obsessively trying to install background task killer solutions and whatnot that were supposed to save on battery.

There was very little sacrifice with the mini iPhones, for the first time in modern "small" smartphones

hbn commented on Pixel 10 Phones   blog.google/products/pixe... · Posted by u/gotmedium
xenadu02 · 4 days ago
The number of people who aren't vocal tech people who actually want a smaller phone is a very small part of the market. In HN-like circles they're a notable minority but among the general population they are a smaller percentage. Especially when you consider huge segments of the market where your phone is your only computing device: a smaller phone is a massive anti-feature in large parts of the world.

Plus almost everyone who says they want a smaller phone will just buy a larger one anyway.

The sales numbers just don't justify it. Like people who pine for manual transmissions: they're vocal in car forums and publications but they're a tiny minority and making one is a money-loser even in the sports car segment.

hbn · 3 days ago
I directly addressed the hard sales numbers, we don't need to talk about overrepresentation in HN/tech circles. The napkin math off public numbers tells us the iPhone mini sold 6 million units in the same year Google sold 10 million Pixels total, across all devices. So if 6 million units isn't enough to indicate demand for a niche phone, then there isn't enough demand for the Pixel lineup to exist either, only marginally more.

It's only a small number compared to Apple's total number of iPhones sold which is an astronomical stat to compare to. I don't think it's fair to compare mini phone demand against total iPhone sales.

hbn commented on Pixel 10 Phones   blog.google/products/pixe... · Posted by u/gotmedium
zamadatix · 4 days ago
It's interesting how this type of feedback always comes up for phones yet smaller phones have an extremely hard time actually selling enough units to justify making more of them. It seems part of it may be folks remaining in this group seem much more willing to stick with old devices anyways, helping drive less priority for small sizes on top of already being a smaller market segment. Perhaps there are some other big factors beyond those two things too.
hbn · 4 days ago
Apple said the mini iPhones underperformed, but they were not some sort of commercial failure. They sold millions of units. Numbers most Android OEMs could only dream of for a single flagship model. Current day Apple is all about optimizing and determined that still wasn't enough, and I imagine the manufacturing for small, specialized display panels certainly took a chunk out of those margins, so Apple decided to pull the plug.

Myself and the people who said we wanted a smaller phone may be a vocal minority but we did buy the small phone when we were offered it. After I used the 12 mini for 2 years, I bought a 14 Pro since no mini was offered in the 14 generation, but I returned it a week later cause it was too big/heavy and bought a 13 mini. These days I'm using a 16 Pro since no mini is offered and the titanium did help a lot with the weight issue, but if they brought back mini phones I'd happily sacrifice the camera for a reasonably sized screen.

hbn commented on Pixel 10 Phones   blog.google/products/pixe... · Posted by u/gotmedium
izacus · 4 days ago
Pixel phones have won blind camera tests last few years without Apple coming close though.
hbn · 4 days ago
The difference between the photos on any flagship phone for the past 5 or so years is insignificant and mostly up to personal preference, but the difference between iPhone and anything else in videos is massive.
hbn commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
giancarlostoro · 5 days ago
I think the thinking there is they want you to buy the physical Keyboard.

The Pro is Apple's Answer to the Microsoft Surface is how I always saw it.

hbn · 5 days ago
I'm not sure the iPad Pro would be a response to the Surface as much as the keyboards are, which are available on all iPads, including the ones that let you split the software keyboard.
hbn commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
giancarlostoro · 5 days ago
> I remember when the first iPad was in development, there was a lot of speculation about how Apple would solve the "large touchscreen keyboard" problem. Typing on a large touchscreen was hard, just blowing up a iphone keyboard wouldn't cut it. It'd be too large for thumb typing, but you also couldn't type on it like a physical keyboard, it would be awkward hovering over the touchscreen and you couldn't hold it while you typed.

I liked how Windows 8 did it on one of my laptops / touch devices, the keyboard would split in half and be on each edge of the screen, so if you truly wanted to type with your thumb, you could.

A lot of people did not like Windows 8, but I had fun with it on devices designed for it.

I do prefer whenever I find my Apple Pen (I have a knock off one from Logitech) that I can just write text over a text field, and the iPad will happily fill it in for me.

hbn · 5 days ago
iPad OS has a split keyboard you can access by grabbing it with both thumbs and pulling it in half.

But I think I've heard the iPad Pro doesn't have it for some reason?

It seems kinda neglected as a feature anyway cause I've found it frequently covers the input field you're typing in, even in Apple's own apps.

hbn commented on Apple has not destroyed Steve Jobs' vision for iPad   victorwynne.com/vision-fo... · Posted by u/curtblaha
ahmeneeroe-v2 · 5 days ago
This is a weird way of saying that Apple offers a phone at every price point.

How is it consumer-hostile to offer upgrades at an increased cost?

hbn · 5 days ago
I think the only one I could agree with exists for upselling is the 16e. I really don't know who that phone is for, it's missing some of the most basic features like MagSafe that will probably disappoint customers who bought it not knowing their iPhone won't work with accessories that previously you could trust work with every iPhone. I guess maybe a grandparent who barely uses their phone it would be fine, but other than that it seems like it just exists so Apple can say the iPhone lineup starts at $599 and then sell you a 15/16.
hbn commented on Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy   theguardian.com/film/2025... · Posted by u/nemoniac
ryandrake · 10 days ago
Piracy offers:

1. Unrestricted access to an absolutely huge library of movies, music and TV shows, nearly unlimited. Certainly not limited by opaque "licensing deals" between various companies.

2. Highest resolution/bitrate/quality that was available at the time of the work's original release.

3. No arbitrary device/OS limitations.

4. Can watch/listen/download from any location on earth with sufficient bandwidth.

I didn't even mention that it's free or that there are no ads, because that's pretty much the least important attribute to me. If any company came out with a service that offered those four points, I'd probably be willing to pay a lot for it. How much? Who knows, we don't know how much this is worth because nobody is even trying to offer it.

hbn · 10 days ago
Don't forget censorship-free

I swore off streaming services when they started pulling episodes of comedy shows and editing out scenes because they were worried someone might be offended

hbn commented on Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy   theguardian.com/film/2025... · Posted by u/nemoniac
8fingerlouie · 10 days ago
>I didn't even mention that it's free or that there are no ads

It's free in the same way shoplifting is free, until you get caught. You are very much in violation of copyright laws if you pirate.

hbn · 10 days ago
If buying things at the store was as painful as watching stuff on streaming services, and shoplifting was as low risk as torrenting, and my stealing an item didn't make that item disappear from the store, I'd probably do it there too.
hbn commented on Blood oxygen monitoring returning to Apple Watch in the US   apple.com/newsroom/2025/0... · Posted by u/thm
FirmwareBurner · 10 days ago
Yes "very good", until Apple decides to mass-layoff them, because now, owning the valuable core IP and having killed their primary competitor in the field, Apple can do whatever they want and get away with it because those employees have nowhere else to go in the area. 200+ IQ move </slow_clap>.

How people on HN can support monopolization of markets and killing of competition is beyond me, since in the end it always bites them in the ass (see recent mass layoffs in the industry), yet this lesson seems to be quickly forgotten.

hbn · 10 days ago
Let's not forget Masimo picked the fight. Apple was fine letting them compete.

u/hbn

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