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gettalo commented on As women have more equal opportunity, the more their preferences differ from men   science.sciencemag.org/co... · Posted by u/seagullz
jernfrost · 7 years ago
I am highly sceptical to this study. Does anyone have a list of what they measured as differences and how they did it?

The reason I am a sceptic is because as a Scandinavian I notice easily how much more macho men are in less gender equal societies and how much more feminine the women are.

I don’t think it is an accident that the world’s top female boxer is Norwegian rather than say Italian.

I do there is something to the equality paradox but I suspect it is more complex than this research suggests.

60% of published papers in life sciences turns out to be rubbish. So statistically speaking one should have a natural scepticism to any bold claims.

gettalo · 7 years ago
>I don’t think it is an accident that the world’s top female boxer is Norwegian rather than say Italian.

It's probably an accident. Two weeks ago an italian girl won a boxing gold medal in the youth olympics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_at_the_2018_Summer_Yout...

gettalo commented on My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer   humanwhocodes.com/blog/20... · Posted by u/jodooshi
dmarucco · 7 years ago
Care to explain why you would like to have "anonymous" accounts? I'm also from Italy and I know that for us, as italians, salary is a taboo that must be overcome.

In which position you are currently?

gettalo · 7 years ago
In threads such as this one, everyone creates a new, throwaway account, possibly with a password that will never be reused. It looks like a waste to me. There could be the possibility of logging in as “guests” with temporary account in order to post anonymously.

I work as an IT business analyst / Project Manager in a large Italian company.

gettalo commented on My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer   humanwhocodes.com/blog/20... · Posted by u/jodooshi
dmarucco · 7 years ago
Here in Italy we discuss #2 - For example for an annual income of 30.000€ before taxes, it will be around 1.400 - 1.500€ month after taxes.

And I had the same experience: it's almost impossible to have salaries jump without changing jobs (and from a business perspective the reasons for that are quite obvious)

gettalo · 7 years ago
In your example, €30000 would be your RAL so #3, not #2.
gettalo commented on My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer   humanwhocodes.com/blog/20... · Posted by u/jodooshi
sunaurus · 7 years ago
I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary:

1) What you actually get

2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes

3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes

Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries. So if somebody says they make 1000€/month, it generally means that they get 871€ every month in the bank, and their employer actually needs to pay 1338€ ever month in salary + taxes.

Can anyone shed some light on whether this is the same everywhere? Like if somebody in Silicon Valley says they make $200k/year, is that their "#2" number?

Edit:

Adding my own #2 history as well (software dev in Estonia), in case anybody is interested:

2015 - junior at employer A - 12 000€

2015 - mid-level at employer A - 21 204€

2016 - mid-level at employer B - 26 400€

2017 - senior at employer B - 30 000€

2017 - senior at employer C - 48 000€

2018 - senior at employer D - 58 500€

In my experience, it's very hard to get better salary without changing jobs all the time, so if you know of a company with good perks, it's better to change your job a bunch of times before ending up there (so you can start there with a relatively good salary) - at least, that's what I ended up doing.

gettalo · 7 years ago
In Italy, as far as I know, there's only 1) and 3). Usually If we refer to a yearly salary, it's 3), if we refer to the monthly sum, it's the take home pay, so 1).
gettalo commented on My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer   humanwhocodes.com/blog/20... · Posted by u/jodooshi
dmarucco · 7 years ago
This is certainly an intresting post and i likethe OP attitude. We should be totally transparent about our compensation as he did. Salary is just the result of a negotiation, nothing else, in the majority of cases it does not reflect anything more than your "perceived" value.

White male born in the '88 in Italy. I have a bachelor degree and working since 2008. Here in Italy is quite uncommon to have big jumps in salaries if you want to stay in the "Technical" position.

However it's quite common to have "food stamps" for lunch as benefit ( range between 5€ to 8€ )

2008 - 18000 €/year - Junior Software Developer - Consulting Firm A

2009 - 19000 €/year - Software Developer - Consulting Firm A

2010 - 20000 €/year - Software Developer - Consulting Firm A

2011 - 21000 €/year - Software Developer - Consulting Firm A

2012 - 23000 €/year - Senior Software Developer - Online booking startup (No stock options)

2013 - 25000 €/year - Senior Software Developer - Consulting Firm B

2014 - 25000 €/year - Senior Software Developer - Consulting Firm B

2015 - 28000 €/year - Technical Lead - Consulting Firm B

2016 - 30000 €/year - Technical Lead - Consulting Firm B

2017 - 32000 €/year - Technical Lead - Consulting Firm C

2018 - 32000 €/year - Technical Lead / Solution Architect / Whatever - Consulting Firm C

gettalo · 7 years ago
Isn't 32k a bit low for a laureato with 10year experience?

https://www.hays.it/cs/groups/hays_common/@it/@content/docum...

gettalo commented on My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer   humanwhocodes.com/blog/20... · Posted by u/jodooshi
gettalo · 7 years ago
HN could have anonymous, expiring accounts.

Italy. I am 30 now.

2012 €500/mo, €1000/mo after 6 months "body rental"

2013 €25k + car associate consultant in IT company

2014 €30k + car consultant in same IT company

2015 €37k IT business analyst in large manufacturing company

2016 €40k same

2017 €42k same

2018 €42k same

u/gettalo

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