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ferest commented on Huawei patent mentions use of Uighur-spotting tech   bbc.co.uk/news/technology... · Posted by u/mellosouls
ferest · 5 years ago
a different view

it's a 26 page with (almost) all words, and it mentions uighur (as well as han) once in one place and used as example, and at the same example it mentions gender and age as factors. Yet BBC is "creating" a horrible headline. By this definitation all patents used by car auto pilot feature that could enhance people (in particular colored people) detection, is a human right voilation

ferest commented on Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law   reuters.com/article/us-ho... · Posted by u/aww_dang
thinkingemote · 6 years ago
The issue is that protest is allowed and encouraged in the west. Its actually necessary for the system. Instability is central to the west. It grows and changes with change.

Those in China see this and are horrified. To them, freedom and instability equal bloodshed and violence. Any rights should be given up to ensure the safety of one's family. If you have no freedom as a child you will be happier as your mother and father will look over you. teenage rebellion is also not encouraged culturally for example.

It's interesting to understand the CCP mind set. It explains the almost non sensical criticism of "freedoms" often heard. As most westerner don't understand China, similarly most mainland Chinese don't understand the west.

ferest · 6 years ago
> protest is allowed and encouraged in the west

It also comes with great cost.

ferest commented on Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations   businessinsider.com/micro... · Posted by u/sandGorgon
sanxiyn · 6 years ago
China does not block US apps.
ferest · 6 years ago
yea that's how media made the headlines
ferest commented on Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations   businessinsider.com/micro... · Posted by u/sandGorgon
SwSwinger · 6 years ago
Protectionism arises when there is not equal business opportunity between nations and when nations have knowledge of unethical government campaigns using related corporations. I don't see how this is similar to treating black people. Maybe you meant Uighurs?
ferest · 6 years ago
> hen nations have knowledge of unethical government campaigns using related corporations

NSA has pretty bad records of spying all over the world, and all US companies have to work with US judicatory system under the court permission. In that convention, all over the world should have blocked US companies.

> I don't see how this is similar to treating black people

Because their skin is black, not because there is evidence of any law breaking, they are treated differently.

I don't want to get into uighurs talk, "reeducation camp" could as well be a more restrict boarding school under different context, but this is not related.

ferest commented on Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations   businessinsider.com/micro... · Posted by u/sandGorgon
colordrops · 6 years ago
The analogy would only make sense if black people were a foreign economic and nuclear powerhouse that have been blocking US apps with even more prejudice.

Tit for tat restrictions are standard practice with international trade and not evidence of racism.

ferest · 6 years ago
fwiw china didn't block US apps, it's china blocks apps decide not to follow the chinese law, regardless if it's US app or from any other country.

If tiktok has child porn or some other illegal stuff, i'm totally fine with blocking it. But in this case, the only evidence so far is, it's a chinese app, not because it's breaking any law.

ferest commented on Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations   businessinsider.com/micro... · Posted by u/sandGorgon
ferest · 6 years ago
In short, only American companies can have access to the brains of Americans.

There is no law to prohibit an app of being used in US, and there is no evidence TikTok broke any existing law operating within US. All the talking point being so far is because it's a chinese company.

This is literally how black people was treated.

It's interesting to see how protectionism change the country brand of equal business opportunity and spirit of the law.

ferest commented on Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027   bbc.com/news/technology-5... · Posted by u/doener
ferest · 6 years ago
i doubt you understand the "fact" you are talking about in person, rather than from some "news".

India is not re-educating anyone, but rules out muslim from citizenship? Not even mention the caste system, which is way worse than the color discrimination in US. When India became the 2nd biggest power in the world, all these will become target

ferest · 6 years ago
> Your arguments lack context. India isn't ruling out Muslims from citizenship. While the CAA is a very bad step forward, and has several problems, it is about what criteria satisfying refugees are available for quick citizenship, and doesn't apply to citizens of the country. India is certainly not running anything close to the camps China is running for Uyighurs.

I could argue the same, the so-called reeducation camps only applies to xinjiang province, and for those could only get education from religion maniacs, rather than a normal school. And there were numbers of attack events were caused by it. Keep in mind Uyighurs are not only living in xinjiang, there are uyighurs living in rest parts of China and doing well.

> India is actively trying to fix disparities caused by the caste system. It took the US 200 years to get civil rights, India had affirmative action from day one, and one of the biggest examples of affirmative action at that. The caste system is horrendous, but social change can never be brought so quickly ( atleast in a democratic way, we certainly don't want Stalin or Mao style quick changes)

Aye aye, it took 200 years for the US to have civil rights for all (still problematic), and Inida takes 70+ years still working on the caste problems, when it reaches China, which was founded after India, we are suddenly asking for all equal society. Yes, unwillingly education is bad, but keeping them blank and poor is evil. Learning skills to fit into a society, even it doesn't fit into your propaganda, is not wrong.

> The caste system, while bad, isn't in any way worse than color discrimination in the US. To quote just one example, India has very strong laws against caste based violence.

US also has strong anti hate crime law, and is one of countries offers most assistance for anti-discrimination, law doesn't help unless vast majority are educated to do so, and vast majority has economy power to do so.

ferest commented on Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027   bbc.com/news/technology-5... · Posted by u/doener
HideousKojima · 6 years ago
No, I'm saying that similar countries were able to lift their populations out of poverty without creating concentration camps for millions of political dissidents and religious minorities in the process. China's economic success isn't tied to its authoritarian regime, and it's actually pretty easy to argue that they would have lifted even more of their population out of poverty even faster if they hadn't had harebrained/genocidal schemes like the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and communism in general. China didn't begin to see any significant economic success until after they abandoned most of their communist policies and began liberalizing markets in the late 80's and early 90's.
ferest · 6 years ago
Lifting 100 millions people out of poverty is totally different from lifting 1 millions people out of poverty. Moving a car involves much more engineering than moving a carpet.

If they haven't done great leap forward and cultural revolution it would be better, that is true. But by "abandoning all communist policies and began liberalizing markets", not all countries see economic success, ukraine, iraq and all recent "liberated" countries, and russian living quality in 90s was even worse than their late 80s.

And ironically enough, the fast developing era of taiwan, south korea, by today's standard, are not under any form of democracy.

ferest commented on Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027   bbc.com/news/technology-5... · Posted by u/doener
enitihas · 6 years ago
The comparison with India is wrong, or you don't understand the scale of what is happening in China. For starters, India is not re-educating anyone.
ferest · 6 years ago
i doubt you understand the "fact" you are talking about in person, rather than from some "news".

India is not re-educating anyone, but rules out muslim from citizenship? Not even mention the caste system, which is way worse than the color discrimination in US. When India became the 2nd biggest power in the world, all these will become target

ferest commented on iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents every few keystrokes   twitter.com/jeremyburge/s... · Posted by u/georgespencer
ferest · 6 years ago
running old app on new OS can cause unpredicted behavior is normal, and here is assuming it is not iOS14 bug

u/ferest

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