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everforward commented on Vouch   github.com/mitchellh/vouc... · Posted by u/chwtutha
theredbeard · a day ago
OSS was already brutal for new contributors before AI. You'd spend hours on a good-faith PR and get ignored for months, or get torn apart in review because you didn't know the unwritten conventions. The signal-to-noise ratio sucked but at least maintainers would eventually look at your stuff.

Now with AI-generated spam everywhere, maintainers have even more reason to be suspicious of unknown names. Vouch solves their problem, but think about what it means for someone trying to break in. You need someone to vouch for you before you can contribute, but how do you get someone to vouch for you if you can't contribute?

I get why maintainers need this. But we're formalizing a system that makes OSS even more of an insider's club. The cold start problem doesn't really get any warmer like this.

everforward · 17 hours ago
This makes sense to me. Part of me wonders if this system wouldn't work better in reverse, a blocklist instead of a banlist. Blocklists can spread via URL, in the same way that DNS or email blocklists work. Subscribe to the blocklists of people you trust.

I _think_ this removes the motivation for low-quality PRs. Get on a major blocklist and the GitHub account is basically dead. People could make new GitHub accounts, but then you never get an "impressive" GitHub account.

everforward commented on Coding agents have replaced every framework I used   blog.alaindichiappari.dev... · Posted by u/alainrk
abcde666777 · 3 days ago
It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part.

Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing.

'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his side.'

'Revise that so that Sam is Harsher and Frodo more stubborn.'

Sooner or later I look at that and think he'd be better off just writing the damned book instead of wasting so much time writing prompts.

everforward · 3 days ago
I was talking to a coworker that really likes AI tooling and it came up that they feel stronger reading unfamiliar code than writing code.

I wonder how much it comes down to that divide. I also wonder how true that is, or if they’re just more trusting that the function does what its name implies the way they think it should.

I suspect you, like me, feel more comfortable with code we’ve written than having to review totally foreign code. The rate limit is in the high level design, not in how fast I can throw code at a file.

It might be a difference in cognition, or maybe we just have a greater need to know precisely how something works instead of accepting a hand wavey “it appears to work, which is good enough”.

everforward commented on Claude Opus 4.6   anthropic.com/news/claude... · Posted by u/HellsMaddy
jama211 · 4 days ago
It is demonstrably absolutely fine. Sheesh.
everforward · 4 days ago
It’s fine in the sense that it works, it’s just a really bad look for a company building a tool that’s supposed to write good code because it balloons the resources consumed up to an absurd level.

300MB of RAM for a CLI app that reads files and makes HTTP calls is crazy. A new emacs GUI instance is like 70MB and that’s for an entire text editor with a GUI.

everforward commented on Claude Opus 4.6   anthropic.com/news/claude... · Posted by u/HellsMaddy
jama211 · 5 days ago
There’s nothing wrong with that, except it lets ai skeptics feel superior
everforward · 5 days ago
There are absolutely things wrong with that, because React was designed to solve problems that don't exist in a TUI.

React fixes issues with the DOM being too slow to fully re-render the entire webpage every time a piece of state changes. That doesn't apply in a TUI, you can re-render TUIs faster than the monitor can refresh. There's no need to selectively re-render parts of the UI, you can just re-render the entire thing every time something changes without even stressing out the CPU.

It brings in a bunch of complexity that doesn't solve any real issues beyond the devs being more familiar with React than a TUI library.

everforward commented on Claude Opus 4.6   anthropic.com/news/claude... · Posted by u/HellsMaddy
brookst · 5 days ago
With extensibility via plugins, MCP (stdio and http), UI to prompt the user for choices and redirection, tools to manage and view context, and on and on.

It is not at all a small app, at least as far as UX surface area. There are, what, 40ish slash commands? Each one is an opportunity for bugs and feature gaps.

everforward · 5 days ago
I would still call that small, maybe medium. emacs is huge as far as CLI tools go, awk is large because it implements its own language (apparently capable of writing Doom in). `top` probably has a similar number of interaction points, something like `lftp` might have more between local and remote state.

The complex and magic parts are around finding contextual things to include, and I'd be curious how many are that vs "forgot to call clear() in the TUI framework before redirecting to another page".

everforward commented on Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/JumpCrisscross
tgsovlerkhgsel · 7 days ago
It'd almost certainly need at least two hands, and I'm sure there are a lot of people who would pay to automate the remaining 5% of the dishes.

And the two-handed spot will have a hard time grabbing something under the sofa.

everforward · 6 days ago
For dishes and clothes? Zero hands required, you can use a vacuum to pick them up and maneuver them (inverting the air flow to drop them).

A buddy demo-ed something from work doing exactly that like a decade ago, but it was commercial and designed for an assembly line.

everforward commented on Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/JumpCrisscross
floxy · 8 days ago
>I’m not even convinced humanoid robots are going to pan out in general.

I want one personally, so it can rake the leaves, mow the lawn, tend the garden, do the laundry and dishes, replace the roof, etc., when I'm old. But they should also be used to pick up litter along the highway, paint over graffiti, etc..

everforward · 6 days ago
I absolutely do too, I’m just not convinced a single humanoid robot is going to do the job cheaper and better than a dozen purpose-built robots (which you might own, or might rent from Home Depot or whatever when the need arises).

Eg lawn mowing robots already exist, and have for a decade or so. Garden tending also exists, though I think only commercial prototypes at the current moment. Roofing feels very possible, but I only roofed once so ymmv.

Is the future going to be buying a humanoid robot with a thousand servos for $100,000, or texting a number to have a self-driving car drop off a bladed roomba made from bargain bin brushless motors and plastic to mow your lawn for $0.50?

everforward commented on Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/JumpCrisscross
tgsovlerkhgsel · 7 days ago
Our world is adapted for humans, so humanoid robots will fit in most places. They might not be the best choice, but the universality has a good chance of making it worth it through economies of scale.

Building a custom robot that can stock shelves at a supermarket won't be worth it for a long time, but programming an existing humanoid platform might work. Find a couple hundred tasks like this (including household use), and that platform now has huge economies of scale.

Now, when you're starting a small factory, using the existing humanoids might make more sense than getting custom tooling, at least for some tasks. You'll often see factories where some tasks that could, in theory, be automated are left to humans because they're relatively small tasks and not worth automating with a custom machine. Humanoids could fill that gap.

everforward · 6 days ago
> Building a custom robot that can stock shelves at a supermarket won't be worth it for a long time, but programming an existing humanoid platform might work.

This feels inverted to me, but perhaps I’m reading it wrong. A lot of the core challenges are shared, but the humanoid has to solve a bunch of additional challenges. Eg balancing is difficult with moving loads of various weights. Humanoids have to deal with that, while something more forklift-like practically opts out of that issue by just being designed with a high mass and low center of gravity.

I don’t see a universe where a humanoid is ever cheaper, but I could maybe see it generalizing well enough for usage to make it worth it. I’d still be a bit surprised, because operating costs would surely be higher (way more servos or hydraulics to fail, higher power usage hauling around unnecessary parts and weight).

This seems doubly true for factories where opex is so much more meaningful than capex. It’s worth spending $4M on custom tooling rather than $2M on generic tooling if it drops your opex by $500k/year on a factory with a 20 year lifespan.

everforward commented on Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/JumpCrisscross
philipwhiuk · 8 days ago
> Boston Dynamics has a deal with Hyundai for their Atlas humanoid robots

Slightly depressing that we're back to replacing the big industrial robots rather than new markets.

everforward · 8 days ago
I _think_ these are meant to replace humans working alongside the industrial robots rather than the big industrial robots themselves. I don’t work in manufacturing though, and the press releases are too buzzword-y for me to grasp the actual tasks they’re going to do.

I would guess the long term strategy is to do this for economies of scale and then push into new markets opened up by the lower price point. I would guess these are horribly expensive right now, given something like Spot is way simpler and still like $40k

everforward commented on Waymo seeking about $16B near $110B valuation   bloomberg.com/news/articl... · Posted by u/JumpCrisscross
doctoboggan · 8 days ago
> I don't see an obvious way for Waymo to get enshittified.

Oh ye of little faith! Here are some ideas off the top of my head, I am sure the suits at Google already have a bigger list.

  * Ads in vehicle 
  * Adjust route so you see partner companies or billboards
  * Offering alternative destinations (I see you are going to Burger King, would you rather go to our partner McDonalds?)
  * Listening to conversations in car
  * Selling ride data.

everforward · 8 days ago
The ads will be awful, because you’re effectively captive. You only control the volume and screen if they let you.

u/everforward

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