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dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
Etheryte · a year ago
Touch grass my dude. You're trying to make the argument that hinges are bad and then calling other people angry over the internet.
dumbo-octopus · a year ago
All I said is moving parts have drawbacks. That’s true. Then a million people kept on the thread to try to claim otherwise, yourself included. Now you’re resorting to 4chan style comebacks, so that’s fun.
dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
Etheryte · a year ago
You're overlooking the fact that these are incredibly common in the Netherlands, yet the massive problems you describe are nowhere to be found. Most people get away with giving them some love maybe every few years when they get creaky, if even that. Your argument is about as reasonable as saying we shouldn't have door hinges or door locks because moving parts have drawbacks. It's silly, these systems are so simple that they require next to no upkeep for years at a time.
dumbo-octopus · a year ago
Indeed we shouldn’t have hinges or locks because moving parts have drawbacks, in contexts where that matters. For instance portals that don’t need a door at all, or walls that don’t need to open. Would you argue that every open passageway should have a door blocking it, and every wall should have hinges installed? No, that’s ridiculous. It’s equally ridiculous to get this angry about the simple fact that fixed awnings have upsides, and depending on the context they might be a better choice than retractable ones.
dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
skrebbel · a year ago
It's a stick with a handle that you turn
dumbo-octopus · a year ago
Connected to a gear that needs oil, a chain that needs oil and can rust, or a rope that withers. Being overly dismissive of failure modes isn’t a good look. I don’t claim that fixed awnings are God’s gift to humanity, just that they don’t have some of the drawbacks associated with moving parts. The amount of emotional reaction I’ve received to that completely factual statement is frankly ridiculous.
dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
Etheryte · a year ago
This is such a silly argument. A movable awning isn't some complex apparatus, it's literally a hinge and two sticks. You're trying to frame this as some kind of an expensive problem when it really isn't.
dumbo-octopus · a year ago
You forgot the actuator.
dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
pistoleer · a year ago
> A government paying for a thing does not in any way imply that the thing is a good use of money.

Agreed, nor is the inverse implied of course. But what is your point?

> How many decades of fabric replacements could you get from the savings of bolting on a simple metal frame as compared to an elaborate electromechanically actuated arm mechanism?

That's what I'm saying, fabric doesn't really need to get replaced in 15 years and going from personal experience. The mechanism is simple enough to be reliable as well.

Ultimately, it's impossible to analyze the cost benefits of this. It's a matter of personal taste and what the harshness of the local climate allows. I don't doubt that fixed awnings are cheaper - but actuating awnings fix their drawbacks, and the maintenance they introduce is minimal in my experience. And frankly, for the price of giving up a single vacation in 15+ years, it's not that expensive. Again, cheap enough that those in social housing can make the choice to get them installed.

ETA: my point of mentioning social housing is to say that people with lower income can still get them. The government doesn't pay for it. I just wanted to paint a picture of the relative cost.

dumbo-octopus · a year ago
What is your point in stating that public housing uses them? (aka the government buys them).

No clue why this turned into a huge debate. I don’t have a dog in this fight, all I’m saying is that america has retractable awnings, they have some downsides, and a government (or a “low class” individual) buying something doesn’t convince me it’s a good investment.

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dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
pxndxx · a year ago
What? Who mentioned the government paying for them? Who said that the fabric needs replacing often?
dumbo-octopus · a year ago
The parent…? Who pays for public housing? And what relevance would the weather otherwise have..?
dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
pistoleer · a year ago
In the Netherlands it costs around a grand, as for maintenance... Haven't needed to do any in more than 15 years. The actual screen retracts into a weather proof metal casing, so there's not that much that goes wrong, whereas fixed awnings are exposed to the full weather gamut 24/7.

Let me put it this way: it's cheap enough that a lot of social housing and other cheap forms of housing inhabited by the "lower class" feature them.

dumbo-octopus · a year ago
A government paying for a thing does not in any way imply that the thing is a good use of money. How many decades of fabric replacements could you get from the savings of bolting on a simple metal frame as compared to an elaborate electromechanically actuated arm mechanism?
dumbo-octopus commented on Why don't we use awnings anymore (2022)   thecraftsmanblog.com/why-... · Posted by u/samclemens
pistoleer · a year ago
It surprises me to read about "fixed metal frame" awnings. You don't _have_ to make that trade off.

In the Netherlands a lot of houses have electrically retractable awnings (or even just mechanically windable by hand), especially above the giant windows facing the back yard.

During winter and bad weather, we retract the awning. When it's too sunny, we deploy it.

typical row house layout with big windows on both sides: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doorzonwoning

retractable awning: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zonnescherm

dumbo-octopus · a year ago
We have them in america too. But every moving part comes with inflated costs for both acquisition and ongoing maintenance.
dumbo-octopus commented on Apple introduces iPad mini built for Apple Intelligence   apple.com/newsroom/2024/1... · Posted by u/diwank
fshbbdssbbgdd · a year ago
Well, the phone’s software works great. They just haven’t released those new AI features - which are supposed to come out on some older devices as well. And it’s hardly the first time Apple delayed a release.

IMO, the only thing weird here is the way the iPhone 16 demo day kept talking about these unreleased features front and center instead of the actual capabilities of the new phone. Probably that’s because the phone is so incremental and there was not much to talk about.

dumbo-octopus · a year ago
Can you name another time the software team has lagged so far behind the hardware release and marketing? Nearly every ad I’ve seen the world over has touted “Apple Intelligence” as if it’s a thing that exits, not some Coming Soon^{TM} pipe dream.

My money is on it being a massive failure if it ever does come out, the only thing stopping me from buying options is I don’t have a clue as to the timeline for when they’ll give up and ship whatever they have.

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