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dogman144 commented on As Alaska's salmon plummet, scientists home in on the killer   science.org/content/artic... · Posted by u/rbanffy
eYrKEC2 · 5 days ago
What if it's rich, because it's true.

I've lived next to two different reservations in WA state and I can confirm the fantastic equipment.

Also, on a random tour of the Leavenworth fish hatchery, we stumbled upon a fishery-management-sanctioned culling of "excess" fish at the Leavenworth fish hatchery into large blue food grade containers as part of tribes "share".

The whole story of where the fish are going is useful, even if it contradicts your preconceptions.

dogman144 · 5 days ago
Have lived next to 2-3x reservations myself.

If the worst thing you can say to prove a point is “they have fantastic equipment,” well arguably they could be owed some good equipment in exchange for the total culture, socioeconomic collapse. And fantastic equipment tends to produce less waste.

That’s also ignoring we’re talking salmon run numbers and you’re talking excess at the hatchery. There’s no issues at the hatchery, they can sudo user their way into more fish at that stage. What’s at obvious issue is what happens to the fish when they’re out there and growing and then coming back to spawn.

Also interesting how you can laser in on the natives and ignore… all of the dams in WA, Or, Cali and their documented 50 yr+ impact on west coast salmon.

Like I said, have lived next to rezs myself. The coded language from WA, Idaho, MT, WY non-natives tends to be anything but coded.

dogman144 commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
GoatInGrey · 10 days ago
On the contrary, the US-led coalition achieved military victory in Afghanistan in under 60 days. Which is an incredible feat. Though what that coalition failed to achieve, and where people try to adjust the definition of tactical victory, was the nation-building goal of creating a functional, independent Afghanistan government. The counterinsurgency aspect was the process of protecting that fledgling "nation".

The very uncomfortable truth here is that Israel is demonstrating how to effectively destroy insurgencies in Gaza and Lebanon. You cannot pussyfoot with nasty, brutal tactics and expect to accomplish anything. This was a lesson the west learned in the world wars, and we seem to have collectively forgot it again.

dogman144 · 5 days ago
The counterinsurgency lessonz of note from a doctrinal standpoint have little to do with how you framed it and I recall it. So before we go in on Total War is the Best War, your framing feels convenient vs actually thought out.

How to do counterinsurgency, as I ran into it from the “what works” angle in the formal setting to learn these things.

- the Malaya/British example. Notably Britain doesn’t run Malaya anymore and that country doesn’t exist. This is the direction you’re arguing works fwiw

- COIN and Patraeus (sp), assuming conditions were correct across the board and you could get a unit commander and all related stakeholders to try it. Notably we didn’t “win the insurgency” in Afghanistan

So there are both well established COIN case studies, one heavy and one light, both didn’t work, and no overlap with what you’re arguing.

dogman144 commented on As Alaska's salmon plummet, scientists home in on the killer   science.org/content/artic... · Posted by u/rbanffy
jmpetroske · 5 days ago
If you’re implying that fishing is the main culprit, I’d invite you to do some further reading. These fisheries are carefully managed to ensure that salmon are able to spawn. Granted, there is the existence of trawling boats which do cause real harm. Yet, almost all commercial fishermen detest the practice of bottom trawling due to the harm it causes.

41 millions pounds of sockeye were caught in Bristol Bay this season. I was up there working on a boat myself. Yet, the rivers were still thick with sockeye at the end of the season. It is not a free-for-all where people are allowed to catch fish in any manner they want, the rules and regulations are there to ensure that fishing is not impacting the long-term viability of these runs.

dogman144 · 5 days ago
Well the detesting trawling angle is valid but similar to how you could detect coal mining in West Virginia the mountains/sea bottom is gone either way.

I believe the single most important policy change for fishiers would be to end trawling, second being sort out international regs.

Both very hard, both bad news for kings. But at some point people are going to see the outcomes in their grocery stores and maybe that’ll start change.

dogman144 commented on As Alaska's salmon plummet, scientists home in on the killer   science.org/content/artic... · Posted by u/rbanffy
ahmeneeroe-v2 · 5 days ago
True on the Columbia river too
dogman144 · 5 days ago
Yes, the river system of about 10 others that the US successfully dammed up in the hot passion of 1950’s engineering culture run wild and successfully more or less ended the salmon runs south of British Columbia?

Yes, definitely the fishing patterns from tribes, not the 10-15 concrete dams.

dogman144 commented on As Alaska's salmon plummet, scientists home in on the killer   science.org/content/artic... · Posted by u/rbanffy
eYrKEC2 · 5 days ago
Wait until you find out about Native American's unrestricted fishing rights and their use of modern commercial fishing ships and equipment.
dogman144 · 5 days ago
Rich comment, but a an old one.

Global warming is playing out in AK in a way only as observable down south with perhaps the dwindling skiing and the colo river. Wrapping that all up into how you phrased it is pretty darn close to the ol “greedy undisciplined Native” trope.

But sure, blame the tribes, and make sure it’s done extra strongly on the next sport fishing trip in Ak that can’t offer Kings as you’ll be seen as very aware of the issues by your guide.

dogman144 commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
insane_dreamer · 10 days ago
My biggest takeaway is surprise at how much the old sw must have sucked. Without knowing anything about it, I've always assumed military tech was cutting edge.
dogman144 · 9 days ago
That should be the takeaway, paired with if you ever make a startup avoid “military grade” marketing as you’ll eventually sell to a vet who thinks it’s quite humorous.

The other takeaway is tech used to target insurgents is now getting American citizen data.

dogman144 commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
ineedaj0b · 10 days ago
there's lots of near admission by numerous service members (retired now) who go on those war/special forces podcasts and admit they had their hands tied and told to stall. the 'brass' didn't want the war to end - unclear if it was the presidents of the time or the generals but we accomplished the mission those in charge wanted (forever war).
dogman144 · 10 days ago
Rarely or never lost a tactical battle or a strategic conflict ther. Some big ones like Operation Anaconda are the obvious outlier.

But what the Army, Marines, and all the Air Force can’t do: nation-building.

What the State Dept is supposed to do but didn’t: nation building

What congress never really bothered to do per the Constitution: a non half-assed attempt at routine approval and review to authorize the use of military force

What the public did: super bowls and tech boom, poor people and idealists go to war

What senior officers did: another 18 months of warring and I get a deployment patch and strategic command

What your line officers and NCOs did: love a combat tour, pay and patch, but how much do we dig into the bigger picture mission and put ourselves at risk on (check notes) War Year 19 Strategy #807

Lot of reasons!

dogman144 commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
ml-anon · 10 days ago
“Putting the warheads on foreheads”

Who the fuck talks like this, seriously?

dogman144 · 10 days ago
You’d be surprised
dogman144 commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
stephen_g · 10 days ago
If anything though, all the civilians that they accidentally targeted probably played a part in radicalising a lot more people on the ground, so if anything the tools probably made things worse.

I'm sure it was very shiny looking software though, but that doesn't mean it's good.

dogman144 · 10 days ago
You’d have to define “good” and your understanding of fires targeting chains before I feel I could make a useful response!

You’d be mistaken to think of me as a fan. But, I understand, I think you miss, what Palantir did as a net positive for defense acquisitions and the very legitimate impact on warfigter safety. And, how huge of an achievement it was, given what vendor impact on basic military’ing in the 2000-2010’s was like.

Also, good or bad, all this modern defense innovation new American Century VC stuff, which good or bad is part of the tech industry and it’s continued stability, in my mind sources from this break through.

Also, maybe the software tracked down an IED network or two. And that means there are some limbs on Americans that aren’t robotic. Pretty great too.

dogman144 commented on What does Palantir actually do?   wired.com/story/palantir-... · Posted by u/mudil
stephen_g · 10 days ago
Exactly what I remember reading all the time about the Afghanistan war - the OP calls the Palantir tool 'incredible technology' but the one thing I remember seeing reported time and time and time again during that war was reports of strikes against civilians accidentally being targeted because their mobile phones had been nearby to insurgents (like maybe having visited the same mosque or the same family gathering)...
dogman144 · 10 days ago
There’s some nuance to understand about targeting flows and precision strikes, and why “incredible” is suitable term to use. Not that what you list out didn’t occur, certainly

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