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dissent commented on Europe's Free-Speech Problem   theatlantic.com/ideas/arc... · Posted by u/whatisabcdefgh
card_zero · 4 days ago
Well, the test is if it's directed to and likely to cause a panic (in the US). So if you avoid causing a panic by sheer luck - like something counteracts your yelling and everybody settles down again, and that's the only reason nobody was crushed - you're still in trouble.

Though moral luck is certainly a thing in general, where negligence and risk-taking is not a crime until it goes wrong.

dissent · 4 days ago
Aware of the US distinction, and it's mostly sensible. I believe in the US you actually can yell "fire" in a crowded theatre and if nothing happens, you'll be given the benefit of the doubt. As it should be.

Anything else a genuinely slippery slope.

dissent commented on Europe's Free-Speech Problem   theatlantic.com/ideas/arc... · Posted by u/whatisabcdefgh
nativeit · 4 days ago
> You can yell fire in a crowded theatre. Just hope you don't cause a panic or you'll be in trouble.

But what if laws get interpreted through an ideological lens, and the person shouting happens to be a fellow member of the "Pro-Trampling Party"?

dissent · 4 days ago
Then that'll be factored in as intent and they'll be held accountable for the consequences - not the speech itself.

The important part is that yelling "fire" is fine if the entire theatre laughs it off.

dissent commented on Europe's Free-Speech Problem   theatlantic.com/ideas/arc... · Posted by u/whatisabcdefgh
card_zero · 4 days ago
They did try to, as well, in Manvers. Can't remember if this was before or after her post, and presumably they weren't really following her instructions, but given the high probability that her post might cause somebody to set a hotel on fire, it seems that she could have been convicted even under US law.

"Bins were set alight and pushed against fire exits"

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyj2nlw9wgo

dissent · 4 days ago
Some people broke the law, and the poster can be held accountable for successful incitement. It's not the post that broke the law per se.

You can yell fire in a crowded theatre. Just hope you don't cause a panic or you'll be in trouble.

dissent commented on Administration seeking $1B settlement from UCLA   cnn.com/2025/08/08/politi... · Posted by u/SubiculumCode
mikeyouse · 19 days ago
I really wish some of the cowards braying about censorship on campus over the past decade would actually stand up against this… the entire right-wing media and legal apparatus (aside from FIRE maybe?) is just standing by or cheering this lawlessness and it’s infuriating.
dissent · 19 days ago
I've never set foot in the USA, but from an outsider looking in, it seems like academic integrity was sidelined by ideology during that period. Once this has been normalised, it's not difficult for a competing ideology to move in. Seems like a real shame, but surely this didn't just happen overnight in 2024.
dissent commented on PHP: The Toyota Corolla of programming   deprogrammaticaipsum.com/... · Posted by u/secstate
iainctduncan · 23 days ago
PHP did well for ONE reason: it was really, really, really easy to deploy. This was, of course, underestimated by programmers in the know, but I remember first getting into web dev, and I could start putting real programs (!!!) on the web, in minutes!

I would say it was more like the bicycle. Cheap, no license, even a kid could be suddenly zooming around town with no ceremony, no red tape, minimal investment.

I haven't used it in well over a decade, but still remember fondly how great it was as a gateway drug to bigger and better things.

dissent · 20 days ago
That's not entirely true.

It just moved the work somewhere else, generally an Apache config on a shared host. The user could very often just dump some PHP files in place and they'd be served up, but if you had to set up a new host then it was as fiddly as anything else.

This pattern also meant dropping everything the docroot, using .htaccess to hide things, having different behaviour depending on the global php.ini. All architectures had to be mashed into a request/response cycle (and anything more complex was no longer just drop the files in). It was a very long way from the idea of reproducable builds.

I agree it was popular, but not really for the right reasons.

dissent commented on More women than expected are genetically men (2016)   novonordiskfonden.dk/en/n... · Posted by u/pavel_lishin
sunshowers · a month ago
> The well being of our daughters should trump the entitlements of transwomen

Trans women are also "our daughters" just as much as cis women (endosex or intersex) are. Caring more about cis daughters' wellbeing than trans daughters' is pretty cissexist!

dissent · a month ago
Anybody is free to agree or disagree with that as they see fit. You yourself qualify them as "trans women", after all. However, you can accept them as "real women" without that automatically entitling them to participate in women's sports. It is justified by the importance of women's sports to the well being of the vast majority. They ought to pick a different hill to die on.

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dissent commented on Microsoft engineer fired for disrupting CEO Nadella's speech at Build 2025   timesofindia.indiatimes.c... · Posted by u/Eduard
systemswizard · 3 months ago
Free speech only extends in dealings with the government. Free speech doesn’t grant you the right to interrupt business events without repercussions
dissent · 3 months ago
That's an American legal distinction.

Free Speech is a value

dissent commented on Will the AI backlash spill into the streets?   gabrielweinberg.com/p/wil... · Posted by u/paulpauper
dissent · 3 months ago
Are people, developers included, who feel threatened with the loss of their income to AI, any different to the Luddites?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Genuine question. I'm trying to find a difference, but not succeeding.

dissent commented on Will the AI backlash spill into the streets?   gabrielweinberg.com/p/wil... · Posted by u/paulpauper
currymj · 3 months ago
software is really weird as a test case for understanding AI automation on white collar work.

it seems exceptionally well-suited to AI-based automation because software engineering has already needed to figure out how to efficiently cope with humans who sometimes produce code which may have defects. most obviously automated testing and type systems. also a lot of programming tasks have verifiable solutions so it's also better for training. it seems natural that the most obviously successful AI tools are for coding.

yet the software industry has also been absorbing waves of automation for 70 years. Fortran and COBOL were referred to as "automated programming" and there was a narrative that these new tools would make it easy for non-specialists to program. this time may be different, or it may just be another wave of automation.

i think software has pretty unique properties among white collar jobs, and I would hesitate to draw conclusions about other industries based on AI progress in software engineering.

dissent · 3 months ago
I had the opposite thought. That it was the most difficult of things to replace with AI, and that the eagerness to do so was driven by non developers who see it as an expensive cost centre that is holding them hostage. Where I work still uses very bad outsourced service desk humans, and almost computer illiterate (and sometimes actually illiterate) manual testers and wages approaching that of a senior developer. Why not them first?

I also don't really care if my job is automated. If it doesn't need doing anymore, why should I want to do it? I will do something else.

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