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deogeo commented on Princeton math prof challenges admins 'systemic racism' narrative   campusreform.org/?id=1565... · Posted by u/_red
byoung2 · 6 years ago
Klainerman said that “to promote excellence in research and teaching, major American universities have to develop policies that are blind to considerations of race, ethnicity, religion, sex, socio-economic class and any other factor not relevant to intellectual achievement.”

Here is the problem with that logic. To say now in 2020 that the school should be colorblind does nothing to address the systemic racism that existed for hundreds of years. Princeton did not accept black students until after WWII[1], so several generations of blacks were denied entrance, despite being academically qualified. Their children and grandchildren are therefore denied the benefits of legacy admission (which currently runs at about 30% acceptance vs 5.8% for regular applicants[2]). In this example being colorblind still hurts some students (or helps others, if you see it that way) solely based on the color of their skin.

1. https://blogs.princeton.edu/reelmudd/2010/10/black-alumni-lo... 2. https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/college-legacy/#:~:t....

deogeo · 6 years ago
And yet Black students are better represented than non-Jewish White students. Princeton vs US demographics (in %), from most to least represented:

          Princeton  US    ratio
  Asian   20.9       5.3    3.94
  Jewish   8.0       2.15   3.72
  Black    7.7      12.7    0.61
  White   34.7      59.3    0.58
  Latino   9.5      17.6    0.54
Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews (using average of 2.15%)

https://hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/princeton-unive...

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/princeton-university...

deogeo commented on World Government   plato.stanford.edu/entrie... · Posted by u/alokrai
deogeo · 6 years ago
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
deogeo commented on The Disinvitation   blog.cleancoder.com/uncle... · Posted by u/jarz
dmit · 6 years ago
If I invited a dozen guests to a party at my house and half of them objected to having #7 on the guest list because he's a shitbag, it would not bother me one bit to have him disinvited.

If, on the other hand, I myself were disinvited in such a manner, my first thought would be to reassess my recent behavior rather than suing the house owner.

deogeo · 6 years ago
Of course, when faced with a few loud complainers, you would never consider yourself to be right, and them wrong. You would recognize the folly of your ways, and the wisdom of the crowd that was right all along.
deogeo commented on The Disinvitation   blog.cleancoder.com/uncle... · Posted by u/jarz
deogeo · 6 years ago
"Software Craftsmanship is Sexist and Must be Scrapped" -- https://medium.com/@alandevlin7/software-craftsmanship-is-se...

It seems what he wrote was accurate. What problem do you have with it, specifically?

deogeo commented on The Disinvitation   blog.cleancoder.com/uncle... · Posted by u/jarz
jarz · 6 years ago
Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online?

ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s...

Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...

deogeo · 6 years ago
For the benefit of those less up to date, why don't you link them.
deogeo commented on Faces of Power: 80% Are White, Even as U.S. Becomes More Diverse   nytimes.com/interactive/2... · Posted by u/deogeo
deogeo · 6 years ago
If one digs deeper, one sees that of the 25 university heads, 11 (44%) are Jewish (2% of the US). Meaning of the 25, only 12 (48%) are non-Jewish white (58% of the US) (NYT counted 13, but Jahanian is Iranian, which surely qualifies as a minority).

For the supreme court, 3 (33%) are Jewish, and 4 (44%) non-Jewish white.

Of the major news organization heads, 4 (27%) are Jewish, and 53% non-Jewish white.

Of the top TV and Hollywood heads, 7 (28%) are Jewish, and 60% non-Jewish white.

So it turns out, looking at only non-Jewish whites, they're more often than not under-represented.

deogeo commented on Who keeps buying California's scarce water? Saudi Arabia   theguardian.com/us-news/2... · Posted by u/prostoalex
deogeo · 6 years ago
> But what business does a foreign company have drawing precious resources from a US desert to offset a lack of resources halfway around the globe?

Surprisingly nativist rhetoric coming from the Guardian.

deogeo commented on     · Posted by u/andrenth
deogeo · 6 years ago
> Few tears will be shed for the SAT and ACT exams, even though they were once infamous for causing Harvard to be overpopulated with high-scoring “undesirables” like Jews and Catholics, forcing the school to add letters of reference and personal essays to help restore the WASP balance.

Tangential, but this is highly misleading. Jewish students are still over 5x over-represented, and non-Jewish white students are 0.6x under-represented, according to Harvard's own diversity report and polling done by Jewish organizations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23764422

u/deogeo

KarmaCake day6740November 28, 2018View Original