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davewiner commented on I ditched the algorithm for RSS   joeyehand.com/blog/2025/0... · Posted by u/DearNarwhal
8organicbits · 8 months ago
You should read about OPML blogrolls [1], they are gaining traction in this space. Personally, I like the idea of manually exploring recommendations, so I built a browsable index [2]. But you can crawl the these as well and build all sorts of recommendations engines.

[1] https://opml.org/blogroll.opml

[2] https://alexsci.com/rss-blogroll-network/discover/feed-c550c...

davewiner · 8 months ago
Thanks for the blogroll love!

You can also see one in action on my blog's home page.

http://scripting.com/

And on a special site..

https://blogroll.social/

A blogroll is a kind of feed reader.

davewiner commented on RSS can be used to distribute all sorts of information   colinwalker.blog/blog/?da... · Posted by u/walterbell
davewiner · 2 years ago
If it’s JSON you want, here’s my blog’s RSS feed in JSON.

http://scripting.com/rss.json

I started generating the JSON version in 2011.

http://scripting.com/stories/2011/03/17/jsonifiedRss.html

It took a few minutes to write the JSON rendering code, that’s how close the two serialization formats are, so if you want JSON, you can have it.

davewiner commented on Google and HTTP (2018)   this.how/googleAndHttp/... · Posted by u/mpweiher
naikrovek · 2 years ago
they do if they don't want a user's ISP to inject ads or modify content in transit.

this does happen

davewiner · 2 years ago
i'm not going to re-do all the sites i did in the 90s, 00s, 10s. never going to happen.
davewiner commented on Google and HTTP (2018)   this.how/googleAndHttp/... · Posted by u/mpweiher
JackSlateur · 2 years ago
I find this post .. disturbing

HTTPS is not only about "asking user for data" It is also: - preventing third party from spying on you - preventing third party from altering the content presented to the user

Yes, yes, 20 years old websites do not have https Is running a 20 years old software a good idea, on the internet ? Of course not

What is the point of this post ? I read the "why google really wants you to use https" and failed to find any sense in this

Is this meaningless ?

davewiner · 2 years ago
did you read the part about how https doesn't protect us from the browser vendor, ie google?

They tell us to worry about man-in-the-middle attacks that might modify content, but fail to mention that they can do it in the browser, even if you use a "secure" protocol. They are the one entity you must trust above all. No way around it.

davewiner commented on Google and HTTP (2018)   this.how/googleAndHttp/... · Posted by u/mpweiher
odrling · 2 years ago
You could have a LetsEncrypt setup in less time than it takes to write this rant...
davewiner · 2 years ago
You should try Caddy -- it's even easier.
davewiner commented on Google and HTTP (2018)   this.how/googleAndHttp/... · Posted by u/mpweiher
anderspitman · 2 years ago
Your browser is probably blocking it for not using HTTPS /s

https://web.archive.org/web/20230704151648/http://this.how/g...

davewiner · 2 years ago
Haha perfect demo! ;-)
davewiner commented on Google and HTTP (2018)   this.how/googleAndHttp/... · Posted by u/mpweiher
davewiner · 2 years ago
They're breaking the web. That's the point.

All other arguments you're presenting about HTTPS being easy (it is, have you tried Caddy) are moot. It's the sites that were made before Google took over control that aren't maintained that are at issue. And the idea that a for-profit company that no one should trust is saying they're the only ones you have to trust.

And the fact that many of us adopted the web because it was a platform that no company controlled. If it had been presented as Google's platform I would have run the other way and would have advised you to do the same. But now I'm invested. My freedom as a developer depends on the integrity of the web. And a web controlled by Google isn't the web.

Google has a nasty habit of taking control of open protocols and then trashing them.

Roll up your sleeves, make some quiet time and actually READ THE DOCUMENT.

http://this.how/googleAndHttp

Breaking the web is the issue folks.

davewiner commented on Question the W3C's advice re RSS   scripting.com/2023/06/24/... · Posted by u/ajdude
brycewray · 2 years ago
No HTTPS for this site? :-/
davewiner commented on W3C and My RSS Spec   scripting.com/2023/06/17/... · Posted by u/Tomte
ajdude · 2 years ago
It might be worth opening an issue on the repo: https://github.com/w3c/feedvalidator/issues

And linking to the PR where it got removed: https://github.com/w3c/feedvalidator/pull/68

Or if you want to really get their attention, pull a DMCA takedown.

davewiner · 2 years ago
i doubt if it will come to a DMCA takedown but that is a creative an interesting idea!

maybe someone else could post an issue to their repo. but as the author of the spec i really shouldn't have to do anything to get an esteemed organization like the W3C to respect a CC license and copyright.

davewiner commented on W3C and My RSS Spec   scripting.com/2023/06/17/... · Posted by u/Tomte
ttepasse · 2 years ago
Funnily enough the changes were made based on a bug report by Tim Berners-Lee himself, who noticed link rot and missing links to specifications. Hence the commits by an W3C employee, who cleaned up the markup and apparently took the RSS 2.0 spec from the RSS Board website.

Which in effect is understandable from the employees point of view – an RSS board seems vastly more official and stable than a link on a random subdomain of Harvard’s Berkman Center.

Only if you have been a reader of Winer’s multiple different weblogs 15+ years back, you’ll know the issue. Very quick and abridged recap of the Feed Format Wars:

• Winer’s Userland Software took Netscape’s RSS 0.9x, slightly changed it and promoted it as official RSS.

• The RSS 1.0 Working group wanted an RSS in RDF terms and build a rival RSS 1.0.

• Winer published RSS 2.0 in response.

• People still had problems with the RSS 2.0 spec and some lack of clarity and formed a different effort in response, which later morphed into Atom which found a home at the IETF as an RFC.

• People still had questions about parsing RSS 2.0. In 2003 Winer moved RSS 2.0 to Harvard’s Berkman Center – he was a fellow at that time – transferred copyright and “ownership” of the spec and set up an RSS Advisory Board, which could “clarify” open questions.

http://scripting.com/2003/07.html#rss20News

• In 2004 Winer resigned from the RSS Advisory Board, writing that the “process for clarifying the spec is now well-understood.”

http://scripting.com/2004/06/25.html#When:1:30:36PM

• The RSS Advisory Board made minor changes or clarifications in the following years, but mostly is inactive.

https://www.rssboard.org/rss-change-notes

• Rogers Cadenhead, then chair, slightly rebooted the Advisory Board in 2006 with new members and a new website.

https://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/2851/rss-advisory-board...

• That doesn’t go well with Dave Winer:

https://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/2860/rss-means-never-be...

… and he pretty much declared it nonexistent

http://scripting.com/stories/2007/05/24/advisoryBoardFinale....

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So, from Dave Winer’s perspective the RSS Board has nothing to do with the spec, which in his perspective only lives on a Harvard subdomain. The Board practically didn’t exist and linking to them is in error. The spec is ultimately frozen.

From the RSS Boards perspective it was set up, the initial founder resigned and threw a tantrum, when later the board took its mission seriously.

And from a random reader’s perspective the rssboard.org website seems massively more useful, by publishing the clarified specs, the ecosystem of minor specs around them, a best practice profile and for the first time in RSS history a changelog. Before that we only had Mark Pilgrim’s rant:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060409104917/http://diveintoma...

As usual the feed format wars is a masterpiece in people not working together.

(And thankfully almost nobody cares except the people who back then spend too much time following the wars in the plethora of different blogs, almost all now have fallen victim to linkrot.)

davewiner · 2 years ago
my perspective is that my name and copyright were removed from a document i wrote and re-published on the W3C site and that should be fixed. please don't speak for me. thanks.

u/davewiner

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