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crdoconnor commented on On Resigning from Google   alphabetworkers.org/resig... · Posted by u/matthewmacleod
shadowgovt · 6 years ago
Google spent decades selecting for these "moralizers" and is now reaping what it sowed; "don't be evil" was a cultural slogan that carries consequences if it attracts a particular kind of mindset.

And in a few cases, yeah; HR is shitting bricks because it's losing people who built the underlying fabric of the system (which anyone who has built a large system will tell you increases risk to the entire software company; they're pretty sure the exiting employee has written down all the mission-critical knowledge of how to operate the system riding around in their head, and Google has a corporate culture of minimizing the "bus factor" of key systems, but there's always a risk that the next time something significant catches fire, the employee with 1.5 decades of experience who just walked out the door is the one who could have fixed it fastest).

It'll be interesting to see if quality of product suffers (i.e. if there was actually correlation between technical competence and a care about the fate of the world and fellow employees).

crdoconnor · 6 years ago
>Google spent decades selecting for these "moralizers" and is now reaping what it sowed; "don't be evil" was a cultural slogan that carries consequences if it attracts a particular kind of mindset.

And apparently that mindset drove an enormous amount of profit and, at least in the beginning, gave the company some sort of social conscience.

It's amazing that you can be so against these things

crdoconnor commented on On Resigning from Google   alphabetworkers.org/resig... · Posted by u/matthewmacleod
paxys · 6 years ago
Random thoughts:

1. I applaud the fact that they are actually quitting the company to voice their disapproval of these policies. In my mind all the "internal activism" happening at Google and others is massively hypocritical. One cannot publicly criticize a company while enjoying cushy paychecks fueled by those very activities they despise.

2. If they think Google is discriminatory towards LGBT employees and minorities, contributing to climate change etc., they are in for a big shock once they are really out of the Google and SV bubble.

crdoconnor · 6 years ago
>One cannot publicly criticize a company while enjoying cushy paychecks

Why is it that you think that the people who see the sausage being made are exactly the ones most unqualified to criticize it?

crdoconnor commented on On Resigning from Google   alphabetworkers.org/resig... · Posted by u/matthewmacleod
uoaei · 6 years ago
Only if their intention is to talk about how useless Mensa is and to break the fetishization of being a member of this club.
crdoconnor · 6 years ago
I'd probably read an article by a ex member of mensa that wrote that.

Arguing vociferously about how that "wasn't such a big deal" would make me wonder what ax you had to grind with people who talk shit about mensa.

crdoconnor commented on On Resigning from Google   alphabetworkers.org/resig... · Posted by u/matthewmacleod
uoaei · 6 years ago
There's a consistent narrative that people join Google to make the world a better place, and that Googlers keep the working culture bright and not evil. These exposes are about challenging that pre-built image.
crdoconnor · 6 years ago
To be fair Google did downgrade their "do not evil" value to "it is possible to conduct business without being evil" but it's fair to be reminded of all the evil they do do that led them to downgrade themselves in their own estimation.
crdoconnor commented on On Resigning from Google   alphabetworkers.org/resig... · Posted by u/matthewmacleod
bla3 · 6 years ago
> www.alphabetworkers.org/

> The trouble with deep belief

> The reason it’s unlikely to work is that although you can persecute the prophets

Sounds a bit full of themselves. They worked for a company, they no longer like the company, they quit. Great, move on. No need to make a big deal about it. It's just a job.

crdoconnor · 6 years ago
A lot of people on hacker news get threatened by collective action. This is understandable, given the number of employers, wannabe employers and people with large portfolios who frequent this site.

This is kind of why I expected some people to make a big deal out of how this isn't a big deal. Tech unionisation is genuinely threatening to many here and this Google walkout stuff is a potential sign of things to come in this industry.

crdoconnor commented on Bocker – Docker implemented in around 100 lines of Bash (2015)   github.com/p8952/bocker/b... · Posted by u/sturza
nickjj · 6 years ago
> my test of "does my application work given that the database is running" is explicitly not accommodated.

Are you working with tools where this is a problem in practice?

Most web frameworks I've used will keep trying to connect to the DB in a loop until it either connects and things start normally, or it times out after X amount of seconds where X by default is configured to some number that's way higher than it would normally take for your DB to be available, even if it's starting from scratch with no existing volume.

No "wait for it" script needed (and I do agree that type of solution is very hacky). Although to be fair the same page you quoted said the best solution is to handle this at the app level, which is what most web frameworks do.

crdoconnor · 6 years ago
Yes, I remember it was a problem with Django. It wasn't just the application server, you might need to run some scripts, after the database is up, before kicking off the webserver. Any workflow like this is explicitly unaccommodated.

100% of the solutions ive seen to address this problem have been hacky - either polling bash scripts or explicit waits.

docker compose is a piece of shit.

crdoconnor commented on Bail – Get out of your plans, guilt free   bail-app.netlify.com/... · Posted by u/chris140957
saber6 · 6 years ago
To be fair I think this falls into the category of "ugh I'm not really feeling like going out... and I don't want to disappoint my friend.... if only I knew he wasn't too hot to trot tonight as well..."

But I understand your point and agree with you. I prefer direct communication. If you don't want to hang out just say so - I like clarity.

crdoconnor · 6 years ago
in those instances I'm almost always glad I went afterwards even if I wasn't feeling "hot to trot" before.
crdoconnor commented on Bocker – Docker implemented in around 100 lines of Bash (2015)   github.com/p8952/bocker/b... · Posted by u/sturza
gureddio · 6 years ago
May I ask why?
crdoconnor · 6 years ago
https://docs.docker.com/compose/startup-order/

>The problem of waiting for a database (for example) to be ready is really just a subset of a much larger problem of distributed systems. In production, your database could become unavailable or move hosts at any time. Your application needs to be resilient to these types of failures.

absolute bullshit. docker compose thinks that it can excuse its bugs by dint of the fact that we're supposed to build "more resilient" applications to accommodate them.

and, their proposed workaround with "wait for" is disgusting. their tool should be able to handle readiness detection. it's so fucking basic.

it's not only this but this is an example of the bullshit in this shitty tool excused with shitty reasons.

crdoconnor commented on Bocker – Docker implemented in around 100 lines of Bash (2015)   github.com/p8952/bocker/b... · Posted by u/sturza
nickjj · 6 years ago
The real value in Docker isn't process isolation at a low level.

It's being a toolset to build and deploy containerized applications.

In other words, being able to docker-compose up --build on any Linux, Windows and MacOS box is what's useful.

crdoconnor · 6 years ago
docker compose is the tool that winds me up the most.
crdoconnor commented on Educated Fools   newrepublic.com/article/1... · Posted by u/wonderment
analog31 · 6 years ago
I've never heard a fellow Democrat use the term "political correctness" to advocate a policy. This could be another fabricated wedge.
crdoconnor · 6 years ago
Racists don't use the term racist to describe what they do either.

Language policing is still big in dem circles.

u/crdoconnor

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