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clarinificator commented on LLM Inevitabilism tomrenner.com/posts/llm-i... · Posted by u/SwoopsFromAbove

I've operated a top ~20 LLM service for over 2 years, very comfortably profitably with ads. As for the pure costs you can measure the cost of getting an LLM answer from say, OpenAI, and the equivalent search query from Bing/Google/Exa will cost over 10x more...

clarinificator · 7 months ago

Profitably covering R&D or profitably using the subsidized models?

clarinificator commented on LLM Inevitabilism tomrenner.com/posts/llm-i... · Posted by u/SwoopsFromAbove

lblume · 7 months ago

Imagine telling a person from five years ago that the programs that would basically solve NLP, perform better than experts at many tasks and are hard not to anthropomorphize accidentally are actually "trivial". Good luck with that.

clarinificator · 7 months ago

Yeah it solved NLP about 50% of the time, and also mangles data badly and in often hard-to-detect ways.

clarinificator commented on LLM Inevitabilism tomrenner.com/posts/llm-i... · Posted by u/SwoopsFromAbove

eric-burel · 7 months ago

Developers haven't even started extracting the value of LLMs with agent architectures yet. Using an LLM UI like open ai is like we just figured fire and you use it to warm you hands (still impressive when you think about it, but not worth the burns), while LLM development is about building car engines (here is you return on investment).

clarinificator · 7 months ago

Every booster argument is like this one. $trite_analogy triumphant smile

clarinificator commented on LLM Inevitabilism tomrenner.com/posts/llm-i... · Posted by u/SwoopsFromAbove

TeMPOraL · 7 months ago

Yeah, that sounds very much like the arguments parents gave to those of us who were kids when the web became a thing. "Cool walls of text. Shame you can't tell if any of that is true. You didn't put in work getting that information, and it's the work that matters."

Except it's turns out it's not a problem in practice, and "the work" matters only in less than 1% of the cases, and even then, it's much easier done with the web than without.

But it was impossible to convince the older generation of this. It was all apparent from our personal experience, yet we couldn't put it into words that the critics would find credible.

It took few more years and personal experience for the rest to get up to speed with reality.

clarinificator · 7 months ago

What gets me the most about the hype and the people arguing about it is: if it is so clearly revolutionary and the inevitable future, each minute you spend arguing about it is a minute you waste. People who stumble upon game changing technologies don't brag about it online, they use that edge in silence for as long as possible.

clarinificator commented on LLM Inevitabilism tomrenner.com/posts/llm-i... · Posted by u/SwoopsFromAbove

jstummbillig · 7 months ago

The historical precedent for ludism working is slim.

clarinificator · 7 months ago

Luddites, contrary to popular misconceptions, was an extreme form of labor action concentrated in jurisdictions with the most draconian enforcement of the repressive legislation England had in the 19th century.

It had nothing to do with arresting progress or being against technology.