Lets setup our very own locally hosted LLM using the the GTP-OSS! Then we will setup OpenWebUI and NetBird to access it with a familiar interface from anywhere in the world!
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braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
I think that's perfectly fair. The community is quick to put whoever builds commercial OSS software on a cross the moment they change their license to ensure they still have a competitive advantage. Instead, we should encourage commercial OSS companies. COSS companiesare one of the only venues for creating high-quality OSS projects that you can self-host.
I personally think the definition of open-source is problematic (and clearly biased by the lobbies of hyperscalers). Why aren't n8n or MongoDB considered open-source? (https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n/blob/master/LICENSE.md, https://www.mongodb.com/legal/licensing/community-edition) Why does requesting that others not sell your product make the project not open-source?
The OSI definition doesn't allow that kind of restriction, mainly because it's all about keeping software as free and open as possible.
But the thing is, commercial open source companies play a huge role in making great open source tools, especially ones you can self-host. Without them, a lot of the software we rely on wouldn't even exist. People often push back when these companies change their licenses, but they forget the reality. Big cloud providers can make tons of money off open source projects without giving anything back. That's a tough spot for the folks.
I'm sure that in the nearest future we will have some COSS licenses :) Well, as an open source contributor I hope so
braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
They're switching because they saw the failure of doing the source-available rugpull and causing other, sometimes even more successful, forks to show up, like Redis and Valkey. SSPL is not open source so it's not something I'd ever choose.
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braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
Looks like AGPL is a new norm? Redis switched to AGPL too. SSPL is also common on the server side. Curious of how you view AGPL vs. SSPL and choose the former.
SSPL is appealing for business but it is not open source. That is a deal breaker for us. We want to remain open source under a license that is recognized as open source.
braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
Licensing talk is confusing to someone not steeped in it. I talked to Claude about it 1-2 weeks ago when it was first announced and it was framed as a reinforcement of FOSS ideals.
I actually made the jump from tailscale -> netbird last month. Definitely more work and learning, but much more aligned w/ my perspective of self-hosting and open-source software. (Yes I thought about headscale but the YouTube reviews of netbird won me over).
What did you find harder to achieve with NetBird than with Tailscale? I refer to more work and learning. Or is it purely related top self-hosting?
braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
> There needs to be a license that enables your customers to use you freely, but not your competitors from reselling your hard work.
There are such licenses. They are just not open source.
This one is great, but unfortunately not open source: https://github.com/n8n-io/n8n/blob/master/LICENSE.md
braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
AGPL doesn't have the critical "no commercialization" clause that prevents a direct competitor. It just prevents hyperscalers.
AGPL will stop Amazon. It won't stop WP Engine.
There needs to be a license that enables your customers to use you freely, but not your competitors from reselling your hard work.
Fair point, but it won't be considered open source. NetBird wants to stay open source. AGPL gives certain protection, but is not 100% bullet proof.
braginini commented on NetBird Is Embracing the AGPLv3 License netbird.io/knowledge-hub/... · Posted by u/braginini
In order to safeguard the long-term innovation, sustainability, and collaborative spirit of NetBird, we are switching to the AGPLv3 license - ensuring it remains a powerful, community-driven resource for decades to come.