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bisonbear commented on Show HN: Learning a Language Using Only Words You Know   simedw.com/2025/12/15/lan... · Posted by u/simedw
englishcat · 2 days ago
This is quite a great idea, as a native Chinese speaker, i want to say this is the way very similar how we learned Chinese when we were kids.

On the other hand, the Chinese writing system is logographic (or ideographic), unlike the English system which is phonetic. The most basic characters, such as 日 (sun), 月 (moon), and 山 (mountain), are essentially graphics (or pictures) of the objects themselves. that makes them very suitable for being represented by images. The emoji you are using is also very good.

I believe this method should be very effective for beginners in Chinese. However, once you have mastered the basic Chinese characters, you can learn about the structure of Chinese characters and then continue reading more materials to expand your vocabulary.

The real challenge is to expand your vocabulary through extensive reading, i'm actually working on a tool to solve this specific problem (https://lingoku.ai/learn-chinese), If you are reading English, it will insert Chinese text for you, if your are reading Chinese text, it will translate the text from Chinese to English then inject Chinese words into the translated text, thus improving your vocabulary while reading.

bisonbear · 2 days ago
checked out the tool and think it's a cool idea! one piece of feedback though - I actually feel like the inverse product would be more helpful for me. What I mean is replacing ~95% of english text with words (Chinese in my case) that I can understand, and leaving the remaining ~5% (words I definitely don't know) in English.

At least for me, there's large value in consuming bigger volumes of Chinese to get me used to pattern-matching on the characters, as opposed to only reading a smaller amount of harder characters that I'm less likely to actually encounter

bisonbear commented on Show HN: Learning a Language Using Only Words You Know   simedw.com/2025/12/15/lan... · Posted by u/simedw
andai · 3 days ago
Cool idea! You mentioned the model struggling with Chinese a bit. Have you tried any Chinese models, e.g. DeepSeek or GLM? I imagine they probably have a lot more Chinese in the pretraining. (And their English is certainly fine too!)
bisonbear · 2 days ago
I have personally had success with using Kimi for Chinese creative writing making the same assumption that Moonshot, as a Chinese company, has more/better Mandarin language pretraining data
bisonbear commented on Show HN: Learning a Language Using Only Words You Know   simedw.com/2025/12/15/lan... · Posted by u/simedw
bisonbear · 2 days ago
As a fellow Mandarin learner - this is super cool! Intuitively makes a lot of sense for the "full immersion" component of language. I love to see exciting uses of AI for language learning like this instead of just more slop generation :)

I haven't dug into the github repo but I'm curious if by "guided decoding" you're referring to logit bias (which I use), or actual token blocking? Interested to know how this works technically.

(shameless self plug) I've actually been solving a similar problem for Mandarin learning - but from the comprehensible input side rather than the dictionary side:

https://koucai.chat - basically AI Mandarin penpals that write at your level

My approach uses logit bias to generate n+1 comprehensible input (essentially artificially raising the probability of the tokens that correspond to the user's vocabulary). Notably I didn't add the concept of a "regeneration loop" (otherwise there would be no +1 in N+1) but think it's a good idea.

Really curious about the grammar issues you mentioned - I also experimented with the idea of an AI-enhanced dictionary (given that the free chinese-english dictionary I have is lacking good examples) but determined that the generated output didn't meet my quality standards. Have you found any models that handle measure words reliably?

bisonbear commented on One agent isn't enough   benr.build/blog/one-agent... · Posted by u/bisonbear
yawnxyz · 3 days ago
If you're trying to have multiple agents produce consistent outcomes, isn't it better for them to eventually build a repeatable workflow?
bisonbear · 3 days ago
good question - however I don't think these are necessarily mutually exclusive.

I have repeatable workflows that harness the benefits of multiple agents. Repeatable workflows drive consistent results for single agents. Using multiple agents allows you to fully explore the problem space.

An example of using these concepts harmoniously would be creating a custom slash command that spawns sub-agents that each have custom prompts, causing them to do more exploration. The commands + agent prompts make the flow repeatable + improvable

bisonbear commented on Ask HN: Is building a calm, non-gamified learning app a mistake?    · Posted by u/hussein-khalil
fragmede · 6 days ago
while I'm wary of sprinkling AI magic fairy dust on top of everything, the fact that ChatGPT voice mode and the app is fluent in many languages, an interesting conversational partner for the immersion aspect.
bisonbear · 6 days ago
I've been exploring the "AI as conversation partner for immersion" use case for a project I'm building and find it pretty helpful for a few reasons

1. Effectively infinite engaging comprehensible input at your level 2. Fantastic way to practice new vocabulary and grammar patterns (AI can provide correction for mistakes) 3. Somewhat fun - if you view chat as a choose your own adventure, the experience becomes more interesting

bisonbear commented on Ask HN: Is building a calm, non-gamified learning app a mistake?    · Posted by u/hussein-khalil
bisonbear · 6 days ago
I've been using these fundamentals (calm, non-gamified, emphasis on focus & flow) for building a Mandarin language learning via chat with AI. My goal was to give the user a focused tool (i.e. chat with an AI at your level) and let them experiment & play at their own pace.

However, due to the more user-driven approach to this learning method (output-focused, user has to put in effort to chat with the AI and get feedback), there is more friction with using the tool. This isn't necessarily a bad thing - in fact, more friction can lead to more meaningful experiences. That being said, I believe the market will push tools to be low friction and low effort (i.e. gamified apps) that are focused on consumption rather than tools that require more user effort.

just my 2c from a fellow builder. if curious, check it out here! would love any feedback

https://koucai.chat

bisonbear commented on Ask HN: What are you working on? (September 2025)    · Posted by u/david927
bisonbear · 3 months ago
I'm working on character.ai for learning Chinese, you chat with characters at your level, and get instant feedback on your writing. It's a way to get a wide amount of comprehensible input in an engaging way that also practices output.

https://koucai.chat

u/bisonbear

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