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azemetre commented on How does the US use water?   construction-physics.com/... · Posted by u/juliangamble
jeffbee · 2 days ago
If you replace the area of that data center with apartments, as the question suggested, it would add half again to the local population, which could indeed use 30% of the city water.
azemetre · 2 days ago
I'm not understanding the logic. You want to add more population to the city? That doesn't seem fair but I'll concede I may not understand the point you're trying to make.

Assuming that the population is the same in the city and you just move residents into an apartment complex. I don't understand how you would get the same water consumption, am I missing something? Evaporative cooling is extremely water heavy and these facilities also have the normal HVAC you'd expect. Everything just seems to point to more water usage not less.

azemetre commented on How does the US use water?   construction-physics.com/... · Posted by u/juliangamble
jeffbee · 2 days ago
That's because it's a large industry and nobody lives there. This pattern appears all over the place. The paper mills in the pacific northwest consume large multiples of the water used by their little towns.
azemetre · 2 days ago
That's not the point, the question was whether an apartment building would use the same amount of water and clearly an apartment would consume substantially less water.
azemetre commented on How does the US use water?   construction-physics.com/... · Posted by u/juliangamble
password4321 · 2 days ago
I would like to know how much water is taken by a datacenter vs. the same size space of apartments. I can see why it could be considered a bad choice for communities long term if a datacenter takes more.
azemetre · 2 days ago
The government in The Dalles, Oregon were suing local newspapers that were questioning Google's water usage in the city:

https://www.rcfp.org/dalles-google-oregonian-settlement/

Apparently Google uses nearly 30% of the city's water supply:

https://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/2022/12/googles-wa...

I highly doubt any apartment block comes close to taking 30% of a city's water supply.

azemetre commented on Zedless: Zed fork focused on privacy and being local-first   github.com/zedless-editor... · Posted by u/homebrewer
athenot · 3 days ago
Even without any AI stuff, it's a fantastic editor for its speed.
azemetre · 3 days ago
Someone posted this in the other zed thread but it looks on par with VS Code in speed according to these results:

https://mastodon.online/@nikitonsky/112146684329230663

azemetre commented on Sequoia backs Zed   zed.dev/blog/sequoia-back... · Posted by u/vquemener
nerdypepper · 4 days ago
how is atuin doing what deltaDB does?
azemetre · 3 days ago
ah not much at all, did too much selective reading on my end. Should have read the entire blog and not the quoted selection.
azemetre commented on Sequoia backs Zed   zed.dev/blog/sequoia-back... · Posted by u/vquemener
pton_xd · 4 days ago
> To make this possible, we're building DeltaDB: a new kind of version control that tracks every operation, not just commits.

Let me guess: DeltaDB is free to use as long as we host your data and have free range on training AI based on your editor interactions.

azemetre · 4 days ago
Definitely sounds very eerie. Luckily there are open source solutions that do just this with no AI integration:

https://github.com/atuinsh/atuin

azemetre commented on AI is different   antirez.com/news/155... · Posted by u/grep_it
andsoitis · 8 days ago
Synthesizing between you two’s thoughts, extrapolating somewhat:

- human individuals create wealths

- groups of humans can create kinds of wealth that isn’t possible for a single indovidual. This can be a wide variety of associations: companies, project teams, governments, etc.

- governments (formal or less formal) create the playing field for individuals and groups of individuals to create wealth

azemetre · 8 days ago
Thanks for this comment. You definitely crystalized the two thoughts well and succinctly. Definitely a skill I wish I had. :D
azemetre commented on AI is different   antirez.com/news/155... · Posted by u/grep_it
kortilla · 8 days ago
No, I said it was a requisite to generate wealth, but it does not generate it directly.
azemetre · 8 days ago
Gotcha. Definitely felt like I made that comment a little too rush, especially in the context of all the others as well.
azemetre commented on AI is different   antirez.com/news/155... · Posted by u/grep_it
m4nu3l · 8 days ago
>Why would this be worse than the current situation of private actors accountable to no one controlling this technology? It's not like I can convince Zuckerberg to change his ways.

As long as Zuckerberg has no army forcing me, I'm fine with that. The issue would be whether he could breach contracts or get away with fraud. But if AI is sufficiently distributed, this is less likely to happen.

>At least with a democratic government I have means to try and build a coalition then enact change. The alternative requires having money and that seems like an inherently undemocratic system.

I don't think of democracy as a goal to be achieved. I'm OK with democracy in so far it leads to what I value.

The big problem with democracy is that most of the time it doesn't lead to rational choices, even when voters are rational. In markets, for instance, you have an incentive to be rational, and if you aren't, the market will tend to transfer resources from you to someone more rational.

No such mechanism exists in a democracy; I have no incentive to do research and think hard about my vote. It's going to be worth the same as the vote of someone who believes the Earth is flat anyway.

azemetre · 8 days ago
What is your alternative to democracy then?

I also don't buy that groups don't make better decisions than individuals. We know that diversity of thought and opinion is one way to make better decisions in groups compared to individuals; why would there be harm in believing that consensus building, debates, adversarial processes, due process, and systems of appeal lead to worse outcomes in decision making?

I'm not buying the argument. Reading your comment it feels like there's an argument to be made that there aren't enough democratic systems for the people to engage with. That I definitely agree with.

azemetre commented on AI is different   antirez.com/news/155... · Posted by u/grep_it
m4nu3l · 8 days ago
>governments generate wealth all the time. Public education, public healthcare, public research, public housing. > These are all programs that generate an enormous amount of wealth and allow citizens to flourish.

I thought you meant that governments generate wealth because the things you listed have value. If so, that doesn't prove they generate wealth by my argument, unless you can prove those things are more valuable than alternative ways to use the resources the government used to produce them and that the government is more efficient in producing those.

You can argue that those are good because you think redistribution is good. But you can have redistribution without the government directly providing goods and services.

azemetre · 8 days ago
I think I'm more confused. Was trying to convey the idea that wealth doesn't have to limited to the idea of money and value. Many intangible things can provide wealth too.

I should probably read more books before commenting on things I half understand, my bad.

u/azemetre

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