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avinoth commented on 20 Years of YC / HN   vickiboykis.com/2025/03/1... · Posted by u/mooreds
avinoth · a year ago
> Ironically, the biggest multiples it’s generated for the industry have been from a low-dazzle text forum written in Arc Lisp.

Wholeheartedly concur. I'm yet another datapoint for this statement. I picked up programming, picked up a tech stack, found jobs, and launched profitable sideprojects, all with the help of this site.

avinoth commented on 20 Years of YC / HN   vickiboykis.com/2025/03/1... · Posted by u/mooreds
kelseydh · a year ago
The only feature that would make Hacker News complete for me would be the ability to embed images or screenshots in posts. Otherwise I love it and it's the best place on the internet today.
avinoth · a year ago
No, please no. Hyperlinks exist, and they work just fine. HN is one of the last few sites that doesn't glamorize the UX (nothing wrong with that). I'd rather read a thousand words than a picture.
avinoth commented on Ask HN: Grow a profit-generating SaaS or work on a promising new one?    · Posted by u/avinoth
leandot · 2 years ago
First of all congrats for creating something and achieving some traction. However, on the valuation side I think the things are a bit different. The size is just too small to justify a higher multiple, because you have to maintain the product, invest in marketing, etc. Until at least 5-6k mrr the buyer would be at a net negative (either hire someone to maintain or do it themselves and in a lot of countries the mrr is enough for neither).

A strategic buyer might buy it for the potential, but also at that size they can likely copy it quickly and with a bit of marketing scale it up.

avinoth · 2 years ago
I guess it's a bit of this and bit of that. The products I've sold before or discussed with others were on the former side. I think that was largely due to the metrics that are usually used to qualify (churn, MoM growth, etc.) are bit less impactful compared to a mature, stablized product.

It's mostly seen as a jumping board for them to quickly get going, compared to finding idea, building it, getting some SEO footing, etc. That's just my anecdotal experience btw.

avinoth commented on Ask HN: Grow a profit-generating SaaS or work on a promising new one?    · Posted by u/avinoth
leandot · 2 years ago
Out of curiosity, what is your expectation for such a project? 3x arr is a standard measure, especially for such small numbers.
avinoth · 2 years ago
From my experience, x arr is not a reliable metric for products of this size. They don't exactly have risk covered returns due to their size and they're usually bought for their growth prospect than any meaningful return it can give.

I didn't have any particular expectation per se, any x arr with the potential baked in is fine. But the most conversations I've had are bog-standard x months of profit and people looking to acquire it as an asset, which makes sense for them, but doesn't for me as I mentioned before the risk is pretty low in keeping it myself.

avinoth commented on Ask HN: Grow a profit-generating SaaS or work on a promising new one?    · Posted by u/avinoth
psikomanjak · 2 years ago
Have you thought about selling the 1600MRR one?

If you would be interested you can email me on my mail in bio and we can discuss.

avinoth · 2 years ago
I've thought about it in the past, but the risk/reward ratio is better if I just run it myself.

Also, the whole selling process was a huge turnoff for me as the offers were at most 3x arr and lots of tirekickers when I posted on acquire.

avinoth commented on Ask HN: Grow a profit-generating SaaS or work on a promising new one?    · Posted by u/avinoth
leros · 2 years ago
Is it possible you're making the common error of wanting to build something new?

It's pretty awesome that you've got something making $1600/mo without any proper marketing. It seems insane to me to abandon that effort for something else. Not to mention, if your next project takes off, you'll probably find yourself in the same situation again.

I would double down on this one. You'll likely have a lot of learning to do, but it's gonna be a good education and possibly very profitable.

avinoth · 2 years ago
I did fell into that pitfall when I built keenly. Just wanted to build something new.

But then, only when I received good feedback I thought to proceed with it.

I won't deny, the new thing is definitely appealing because it's new. But you make a good point about finding myself in the same place again.

I've had some good options presented here and I'm leaning towards focusing on rosterbird and try to get a growth engine going and then, maybe, once it's sustainable, I can try new things if I still wanted to.

avinoth commented on My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder   mtlynch.io/solo-developer... · Posted by u/mtlynch
gnicholas · 2 years ago
We don't know that it is profit-generating, since the author doesn't take a salary. As for the assumption that the profit would be soaked up by the market salary for the founder, the fact that he's a former Google engineer or whatever is a pretty decent indication that this is true.

I would agree that most people would take some job flexibility/autonomy in lieu of part of their bigco salary, but my guess is that this particular Xoogler would be making well more than $236k (including stock) if he had stayed at Google.

EDIT: that doesn't mean he should have stayed at Google, just that his market salary would very likely soak up all of the profits this year. If he can keep up the growth (and ramp down his hours), then it would be clearer that the enterprise could throw of cash even after paying for all the labor.

avinoth · 2 years ago
That’s the thing though, it’s a Google engineer’s market salary, and likely the author’s as well. But the OP was drawing the conclusion that whoever’s running the business has to be paid the same amount, that’s what I wanted to address.

> I would agree that most people would take some job flexibility/autonomy in lieu of part of their bigco salary

This is one of the point the author has repeatedly stressed the importance of and I very much agree as well. The chance to chart your own journey and the excitement a business could bring is anyday more valuable than the predictable path of employment for many (including myself)

avinoth commented on My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder   mtlynch.io/solo-developer... · Posted by u/mtlynch
awhitby · 2 years ago
You're missing something. From the post:

> I don’t draw a salary, so the total amount I earned from TinyPilot in 2023 was $236k.

and

> Result: I worked 35-40 hours per week, a reduction from previous years, and traveled more than any previous year.

This is a person who is effectively full-time CEO of this business and whose market salary is likely at least $236k. If they sold the business, the new owners would have to pay someone else to put in those 35 hours.

Maybe the new owner could employ a less-skilled manager and pay them less, or maybe there's still lots of potential growth or room to cut costs, but that's all quite speculative: right now the business has a profit, and therefore a valuation, closer to zero.

avinoth · 2 years ago
Valuing a profit-generating business that's making $1m in revenue as zero is reductive.

Valuation of business isn't necessarily determined by profits (perhaps for commodity businesses), It's just one of the metric. This is a business that has strong operations, product, assets, and IP, honestly quite surprised with this take.

Also, a nit fwiw, you automatically assumed the entire profit of the business is the market salary for the person running this business

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