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asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
sebstefan · a year ago
Similar vein question

> Atlas has a great team with lots of experience. I assumed if I was doing something really really dumb, they’d tell me

If that's the case why not sell it to them and make it a co-op?

asanwal · a year ago
Didn't consider this for many reasons:

1. Most importantly, we didn’t have the talent internally to do that. Running the biz requires a set of generalist biz skills and the company was comprised of specialists. They could tell me about issues in their domain but business requires skills across many domains. And running a biz of this size in a location as challenging as Nasik/Sinnar requires someone being the top dog as decision by consensus wouldn't work (rarely does).

2. Capital availability / accessibility - The team just wouldn't have had it. Indian credit and debt markets would not be available.

3. Non-traditional structure would have required a lot of education - Even if capital was somehow available (0% chance), this would have been an exercise in 'herding cats' and wasn't something I had time for. I was running a business here in the USA plus had a wife and 2 young kids. My work hours were already insane just operating the businesses. I was optimizing for a simple, clean deal for many reasons and a co-op would have been an amount of 'brain damage' I wasn't game for especially given factors above.

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Finally, I'll say that I don't think this would have been feasible in India at the scale and location we were at for one other intangible and cultural reason.

And that is because the employee to owner mentality transition would be non-trivial to impossible. The gulf is just too big. The reality is that reimagining yourself as a founder or owner requires a different mindset. There is no 'leaving the office' especially at the scale of Atlas (small/mid-sized). You're always on call to some extent and all problems seek you out (or you have to go find them). This is not the kind of responsibility and weight most people want at the end of the day.

asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
ziptron · a year ago
OP here. @asanwal, in case you're wondering, a mutual connection of ours liked your LinkedIn post featuring this article. That's how I found this.
asanwal · a year ago
Gotcha and thanks.

I just started getting a few texts from friends saying 'your post is on HN' and was confused. Prob been 10 years since anything I wrote has been on here so was an unexpected surprise especially as the comments are almost all quite nice (didn't expect that :)

asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
statictype · a year ago
Wasn’t your dad also a specialist in that sense (the technical founder as you put it)?

Great writing, btw.

asanwal · a year ago
Thanks. Dad was a specialist on the engineering/science side. He learned and grinded enough over time to become quite dangerous on the business stuff.

I guess he'd be what some folks would call T-shaped. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-shaped_skills

asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
prakhar897 · a year ago
Great Story! I have a question.

Why didn't you elevate someone from inside to the CEO position? Seems like a great way to maintain ownership (and take care of people) while also rewarding the best employees.

asanwal · a year ago
Unfortunately, didn’t have the talent internally to do that.

Running the biz required a set of generalist biz skills and the company was mostly specialists.

asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
sureglymop · a year ago
Hey. This is completely unrelated but I wanted to ask if you provide an RSS feed for your blog? I did find a /feed page but I'm unsure if it's working.
asanwal · a year ago
I set this blog up 24 hours ago and just started moving old writings to it and still have another 200ish to go.

So the honest answer is I don’t know.

Tbh, getting on HN today was completely unexpected.

I believe you can subscribe via email for updates. And hopefully I’ll figure out the RSS thing soon as well. Thanks

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asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
langsoul-com · a year ago
Wonder if the author could speak about how him already being a founder played into the equation.

Let's say he was a software dev, no team lead, no manager, individual contributor. How would things play out?

asanwal · a year ago
Hi,

Having founded and run CB Insights certainly helped mostly cuz I had some sense of where to focus.

In this case, we had product-market fit to use a tech term. My dad's product was great.

And so I didn't need to worry about that. If I had to worry about that, this probably doesn't unfold as it did.

That meant I just had to worry about 2 things:

1. Making sure we were buying raw materials at rates that allowed us to sell the product profitably 2. 'Ringing the register' aka making sales. And that ultimately is not intellectually hard but just requires effort, i.e. researching, calling, emailing, etc.

asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
999900000999 · a year ago
Thanks for writing a great article.

I was honestly impressed with how much you cared for your employees.

The American way would be to just sell it to the highest bidder without any concern for anything else.

Does India have a different social contract? I'd never expect a company to actually look out for my best interest.

It seems like you really cared for your team. Are lifers common in India?

Back in my grandpa's time, you worked at the same place for 20 years, they gave you a gold watch, and then you retired.

Now your expected to jump ship often or your leaving money on the table.

asanwal · a year ago
Thank you.

I don't think there is an Indian social contract but having been born and brought up here in the USA, I'd be talking out of my a$$ on that topic :)

This was maybe more of an implied or expected contract I had with my dad and mom who built the business and by extension the Atlas team.

Job hopping is quite common in India, but that's probably more common in larger cities. In a tier 2 city like where my dad's business was, there are limited options for a plant engineer for example, and as far as I can tell, the skills they have in a fine chemicals plant may not be immediately transferable to a plastics manufacturer.

And finally, many were with my dad for 10+ years so probably some amount of comfort in knowing the domain, the job, the boss, etc.

asanwal commented on After my dad died, I ran and sold his company (2018)   anandsanwal.me/2018/06/19... · Posted by u/ziptron
amadeuspagel · a year ago
Fascinating article, but reading it I kept asking myself: Why not promote someone to CEO? Surely any top-level manager already working at the company will do a better a job then someone who's only qualification is working there 18 years ago.
asanwal · a year ago
Author here

1. He died suddenly so would have been a good thing to explore and do with time. It certainly would have made my life easier :)

2. Building a business that is small to medium-sized with no brand recogntion in a tier 2 city in India doesn't afford you access to tier 1 talent. India's talent and talent preferences are incredibly different than the USA.

u/asanwal

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