allovernow (u/allovernow)

allovernow commented on Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December? thetimes.co.uk/article/ch... · Posted by u/zeveb

allovernow · 5 years ago

They have collected legitimate reports from e.g. the news.

It's no less legitimate than a bunch of links on a Wikipedia page. Don't be lazy and dismiss this because you don't like the political leaning of zerohedge.

>Russian disinformation site

But we're just going to believe everything out of China without a second thought right now?

Everything in that link, all the suspicious relationships, all the published research (arrested smugglers have published on coronavirus very recently) is verifiable. Don't be lazy.

allovernow commented on Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December? thetimes.co.uk/article/ch... · Posted by u/zeveb

131012 · 5 years ago

Can you give a more substantial account of your 'legitimate evidence'? Until then, this is pure nonsense.

allovernow · 5 years ago

I'm on mobile so I don't have time to collate a bunch of sources for something you could search for online, so here's a link to a summary.

NOTE: before you dismiss the source, notice that it is merely a commentary on a collection of individual sources that you can verify yourself. Now I do not agree with the conclusion in the link below, that this is a deliberate bioweapon, but there is ample circumstantial evidence here to at least presume that the virus could have leaked from the only level 4 biolab in China, which happens to be less than 10 miles from Wuhan. It's likely they were conducting legitimate research, all I'm pointing out is that the evidence for this actually coming from China is pretty good.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coron...

allovernow commented on Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December? thetimes.co.uk/article/ch... · Posted by u/zeveb

SonOfThePlower · 5 years ago

I do not understand the reason for butchering wild life animals (e.g. bats). Is it belief system (e.g. traditional Chinese medicine) or they are just hungry?

allovernow · 5 years ago

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allovernow commented on Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December? thetimes.co.uk/article/ch... · Posted by u/zeveb

archivist1 · 5 years ago

YeH, just like bLaCkFAcE is NoT rAciST

allovernow · 5 years ago

How the hell is this anything comparable to blackface?

allovernow commented on Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December? thetimes.co.uk/article/ch... · Posted by u/zeveb

archivist1 · 5 years ago

> The narrative in China right now...

Because there's one narrative in China, folks, and this douchebag knows what it is.

But seriously, don't buy what he's selling.

The only narrative China needs right now is its victory lap. It's nearly stopped new cases. Xi visited Hebei/Wuhan.

The comment above is wishful thinking of the highest order, and perfect projection. It's Western media and nincompoops like this clown who seem to need to play the "blame game"

China got on with solving the problem. Now they're taking a victory lap and responding to requests to help overseas. The Chinese, if they are blaming anyone, are not blaming foreigners for this, they're blaming the Hebei provincial authorities for their initial mistakes in handling it.

Because they've been successful at containing a virus in the largest country on Earth, they don't need to play the blame game. It's slow-to-act and complacement Western-style governments that are in desperate need of a finger of blame to point at anyone but themselves.

allovernow · 5 years ago

You are a plain fool if you don't understand that the CCP literally sets the narrative out of China, imposed with force. Tow the line or, at best, lose social credit points, at worst enjoy your permanent stay at gulag.

The Soviet Union only collapsed some 30 years ago. The CCCP was literally the model that the CCP is based on. Don't be naive.

allovernow commented on Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December? thetimes.co.uk/article/ch... · Posted by u/zeveb

soperj · 5 years ago

It's no worse than everyone over here proclaiming it was coming out of a Chinese bio-weapons lab. They're no more responsible for the virus than the US/Mexico was responsible for swine flu.

allovernow · 5 years ago

There is legitimate evidence of Canadian researchers working on coronaviruses in bats smuggling something to the Wuhan lab. Arrests were made a month before people across the world were taking the virus seriously.

Also the lab in Wuhan has leaked at least one SARS strain in the past.

>They're no more responsible for the virus

Do you understand the conditions of the ubiquitous meat markets in China? Do you realize how easy it is for pathogens to spread when you stack wild animals in cages on top of each other, torture and butcher literally everything, wild animals off the street, in open air and on the literal ground?

The reality is that most of China is third world. Sorry, sometimes specific cultural practices are harmful to people and societies.

allovernow commented on Ventilator maker: we can ramp up production five-fold forbes.com/sites/baldwin/... · Posted by u/rectang

aguyfromnb · 5 years ago

>Unbelievable that people are still not only buying the numbers but downvoting too.

Much of Silicon Valley (and the coastal elite, in general) is in the pocket of the CCP. Is normal.

People will literally refer to Trump as a tyrant or "Hitler", but refuse to speak ill of Chinese leadership. It's crazy.

allovernow · 5 years ago

I don't know that I'd go that far but there is definitely a lot of influence, indirect mostly, and direct for those operating within China of course.

I can't find the % value but the stake that tencent owns in Reddit is a little concerning. That's a lot of propaganda potential.

allovernow commented on Ventilator maker: we can ramp up production five-fold forbes.com/sites/baldwin/... · Posted by u/rectang

aguyfromnb · 5 years ago

>Where are you getting this "hundreds of thousands more people infected than you have ventilators" idea?

Where are you getting the idea that we should trust any data coming out of China?

South Korea, Italy? Sure.

allovernow · 5 years ago

Unbelievable that people are still not only buying the numbers but downvoting too.

Decades of easy living in the US has made the average native dangerously naive.

China is most likely going through a second wave of the infection either now or soon, as people return to work out of necessity to prevent supply shortages and food insecurity. Notice how they've totally locked everything down online - the internet was awash with leaked videos and tweets from people inside of china - but the government has clamped down on these dissenters hard enough to discourage the rest, apparently.

The CCP lies to save face. Its existence is predicated upon the fear and/or respect of the people it controls. It is not a free society.