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aleksanb commented on Pyrefly: A new type checker and IDE experience for Python   engineering.fb.com/2025/0... · Posted by u/homarp
aleksanb · 4 months ago
To repeat an earlier comment of mine from the launch of uv on hn (tl; dr: these new type checkers never support django):

The way these type checkers get fast is usually by not supporting the crazy rich reality of realworld python code.

The reason we're stuck on mypy at work is because it's the only type checker that has a plugin for Django that properly manages to type check its crazy runtime generated methods.

I wish more python tooling took the TS approach of "what's in the wild IS the language", as opposed to a "we only typecheck the constructs we think you SHOULD be using".

aleksanb commented on Ty: A fast Python type checker and language server   github.com/astral-sh/ty... · Posted by u/arathore
aleksanb · 4 months ago
The way these type checkers get fast is usually by not supporting the crazy rich reality of realworld python code.

The reason we're stuck on mypy at work is because it's the only type checker that has a plugin for Django that properly manages to type check its crazy runtime generated methods.

I wish more python tooling took the TS approach of "what's in the wild IS the language", as opposed to a "we only typecheck the constructs we think you SHOULD be using".

aleksanb commented on EU to take action to protect children from harmful practices in video games   ec.europa.eu/commission/p... · Posted by u/jeroenhd
aleksanb · 5 months ago
Looking forward to other games finally getting rid of all the digital currency indirection.

Most newer blizzard games will get a lot better due to this!

aleksanb commented on "We're building a new static type checker for Python"   twitter.com/charliermarsh... · Posted by u/shlomo_z
ehutch79 · 7 months ago
My big question is django support.

Django has a lot of magic that makes type checking more difficult than it should be.

I'm not really expecting anything, even just the speed bump will be nice.

aleksanb · 7 months ago
Agree with this.

All type checkers other than mypy (e.g. pyright, intellij) have ignored the level of plugin support necessary to make django work well, and so they are DOA for any large existing django codebase. Unless ruff decides to support such a dynamic interface as mypy's, it'll fare no better.

We use mypy with [django-stubs](https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs) which works ok nowadays.

There was an effort to create a typechecking plugin interface for dataclass-style transforms for python type checkers, but what was merged was so lacking that one couldn't even make something close to django-stubs with it.

aleksanb commented on Researchers discover potentially catastrophic exploit present in AMD chips   engadget.com/cybersecurit... · Posted by u/fortran77
isotypic · a year ago
The "No fix planned" is specifically for just the Ryzen 3000 desktop series. While obviously a fix would be better, given the age of this series as well as the need for ring 0 access to exploit the vulnerability, the actual impact from leaving it unfixed on those CPUs will probably be pretty limited.
aleksanb · a year ago
I bought my 3900x just under 5 years ago. Norwegian consumer protection laws give me 5 years where the producer is required to fix any defects that came with the product.

As this bug now has become known to always have been there, i could probably force amd to replace my 3900x if they don't provide software patches.

Has anyone else attempted a similar RTM for software defects?

aleksanb commented on Stop Building Stingy Apps   blog.usmanity.com/stop-bu... · Posted by u/muhammadusman
squigglydonut · 2 years ago
Is this article suggesting that all platforms allow json export of data? Like who would actually want this??
aleksanb · 2 years ago
This is required by law in the eurozone and has been for some years now.

Users must be able to get their own data exported, in some useful format.

aleksanb commented on Mypy 1.6   mypy-lang.blogspot.com/20... · Posted by u/hackandthink
rand_r · 2 years ago
Did you manage to get MyPy + Django to work together usefully? I tried the plugin you mentioned but it still seemed stymied by the dynamic nature of Django (reverse relations, etc), so I gave up on it.

If it’s actually possible to live in typed nirvana with Django I’ll bang my head against the wall some more.

We’re using Django 3.2 btw + FactoryBoy.

Actually there’s a number of annoyingly dynamic Python libraries out there where methods are created dynamically that it feels a bit like playing whack-a-mole. Is the situation like TypeScript where you need a MyLibrary.types.ts for each library?

aleksanb · 2 years ago
It's quite useful on ci, and as a `make mypy` can run before pushing up your code, but for interactive errors we all use pyright, which is a bit of a letdown because you don't get autocomplete for fields and models accessed through reverse relation managers etc, pyright doesn't know about them. Many packages ship types nowadays, so the type coverage isn't too bad for us right now.

Here's our plugin setup in mypy.ini in case this helps (Django 4.2 + drf 3.14)

  [mypy]
  plugins =
      mypy_django_plugin.main,
      mypy_drf_plugin.main
  ignore_missing_imports = True
  follow_imports = silent
  no_implicit_optional = True
  warn_unused_ignores = True
  check_untyped_defs = True
  disallow_untyped_defs = True
  disallow_untyped_calls = True
  warn_unreachable = True
  strict_equality = True
  allow_redefinition = True
  show_error_codes = True
  mypy_path = stubs
  
  [mypy.plugins.django-stubs]
  django_settings_module = 'mycompany.settings'
with packages:

  mypy==1.6.0
  django-stubs==4.2.4
  django-stubs-ext==4.2.2
  djangorestframework-stubs==3.14.3
with this horror of a regex in make (because you'll get drowned in wrong type errors in all of the untype files, and errors get shown from imports even if you don't care about that imported file), add more file targets as necessary:

  FILES_TO_MYPY = $(shell ls mycompany/\*/validators.py mycompany/\*/services.py mycompany/\*/selectors.py mycompany/\*/managers.py | sort | uniq)

  # 1)We have to grep out django-manager-missing like this until the following bug
  # is fixed: https://github.com/python/mypy/issues/12987.
  # 2) We grep out the line of `Found 95 errors in 16 files (checked 83 source
  # files)` that now appears as we use follow-imports: silent, because there's a
  # bug where errors from imported modules are counted against the total even
  # though they aren't emitted. If any real errors appear we get them as a
  # separate line anyways.
  .PHONY: mypy
  mypy:
   @{ MYPY_FORCE_COLOR=${NOT_CI} $(VENV)/bin/mypy --config-file mypy.ini $(FILES_TO_MYPY) 2>&3 | grep -v 'django-manager-missing\|errors in'; } 3>&1 | tee $(HYRE_TESTS_OUTPUT_PATH)/mypy.stdout.txt
This allows you to get proper errors for things like

  model = MyModel.objects.get()
  othermodel = model.othermodel_set.first()
  reveal_type(othermodel)  # correctly revealed to note: Revealed type is "Union[mycompany.importpath.models.OtherModel None]"
and even errors on typos like

  model = MyModel.objects.get()
  othermodel = model.ooooothermodel_set.first()  # revealed as MyModel has no attribute ooooothermodel_set, perhaps you ment othermodel_set
.

aleksanb commented on Mypy 1.6   mypy-lang.blogspot.com/20... · Posted by u/hackandthink
KolmogorovComp · 2 years ago
Is anyone still using mypy, and if so why? I have replaced it by pyright [0] for a while now, and not looking back. It’s been a faster, more powerful replacement with (in my case), zero downside.

[0]: https://github.com/microsoft/pyright

aleksanb · 2 years ago
Pyright doesn't work with Django, as Django's so dynamic that it requires a plugin to infer all types correctly. Sadly, even mypy with plugins is a mess to get set up in vscode, especially if you want it to use the same config as you use for ci checks from the command line.

We use mypy + [django-stubs](https://github.com/typeddjango/django-stubs) (in a huge Django + drf project at day job) which includes a plugin for mypy allowing it to recognize all reverse relations and manager methods. Mypy is still really rough around the edges. The cli args are poorly documented, and how they correspond to declarations in a mypy.ini / pyproject.toml is mysterious. Match-statements still have bugs even a year after release. Exclusion of untyped / partially typed files and packages we've had to solve with grep filtering mypy's output for our whitelisted set of files, as it's been unable to separate properly between errors you care about (in your own codebase) and errors in others code (dependencies, untypable dynamic python packages etc).

The largest issue IMO is that mypy tried to adapt a java / OOP style way of type system onto python, instead of recognizing the language's real power within duck typing and passing structural types around. Typescript chose the right approach here, modelling javascript the way it is actually written, favoring structural over nominal typing, instead of the archaic and now left-behind way of Java-style OOP that has influenced mypy.

There was a recently accepted PEP which allowed for limited dataclass transforms, enough to cover the @attr.s usecase for both mypy and pyright, but nowhere near expressive enough to cover django's models and ORM sadly. It's probably impossible / undesirable to allow for such rich plugins, so i see the future for proper pluginless typing to be more akin to how pydantic / normal dataclasses solve typing, by starting with a specification of the types, deriving its runtime implementation, instead of plugins having to reverse the type representation of a custom DSL.

aleksanb commented on I spent a year designing a low profile, minimal mechanical keyboard   electronicmaterialsoffice... · Posted by u/aemerson_
JusticeJuice · 3 years ago
I love this. A lot of the things people dislike I love. Love the site, love the funky key shape, love the serifs, love the big rotary encoder. Subscribed.
aleksanb · 3 years ago
I had the same reaction and am now also subscribed.

- low profile, fantastic

- not full size. Numpads only get in the way!

- mechanical keys

- rotary encoder. Useful for everything! Fl studio, moving pixels in vegas, audio knob etc.

- i don’t mind the font, but perhaps a version without any typography would be nice.

I hope they’ll ship to Norway.

u/aleksanb

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