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alansammarone commented on Is 4chan the perfect Pirate Bay poster child to justify wider UK site-blocking?   torrentfreak.com/uk-govt-... · Posted by u/gloxkiqcza
IanCal · 8 hours ago
Again that is a second order thing and is also not true. If it was all examples by ofcom would include age verification.

It’d be like saying an 18+ limit for buying booze means full DNA tracking because otherwise we don’t know if people are over 18 or just look it.

alansammarone · 4 hours ago
What? I'm not sure I follow your point, and I'm not sure why you're referencing something that is unrelated to my statement, so I'll just make my point in clearer way and leave it at that.

I completely disagree that even a tangentially related, much weaker concept ("having a list of IDs and what you've watched") is "second order" effect. This is a question relative to one's values, which is at the heart of the discussion, but as I'm concerned that cartoon version is a zeroth order effect - much more relevant than all the other points you make, which are at best less important (some might be completely irrelevant to me).

I couldn't care less about the technicalities cooked up by ofcom. Those will be left for a judge to decide and will depend on the political winds. Again, I'm just answering your point - "requiring X if kids are involved" is on the face of it obviously absurd and bad. And the analogy with alcohol, even though not great, might help make it clearer: to the extent that it is enforced, it is absolutely the case that it introduces a much weaker form of mass government surveillance.

The distinction clarifies the idea: if every store was required to check your ID digitally, in real time, and storing that information (which, mind you, makes it trivially accessible by anyone, in particular law enforcement), then the government has arbitrary power to stop anyone from buying anything ("oh, I see your ID is associated with X - sorry, we can't serve you right now" - replace X with your favorite group, idea, arbitrary law), to track their every movement (since you need to buy things fairly often), etc.

The scale and functioning of the internet is what distinguishes it from the physical space.

Just because you have a good master, doesn't mean you're free. You're only free when you're not not subject to anyone's good will towards you. I'm not an anarchist - there are real problems and there are laws that are necessary to solve these problems, your examples are clearly neither and so are on the face of it, absurd and laughable.

alansammarone commented on Is 4chan the perfect Pirate Bay poster child to justify wider UK site-blocking?   torrentfreak.com/uk-govt-... · Posted by u/gloxkiqcza
IanCal · a day ago
Age checks are not fundamentally required by the OSA. It's really, really important that if you want to argue against it you argue against what's actually in it.
alansammarone · 16 hours ago
I was not arguing against OSA, I was arguing about your point that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with "if there are kids involved, care should be taken". Yes there is, because we can't know if there are kids involved without turning into a surveillance state.
alansammarone commented on Is 4chan the perfect Pirate Bay poster child to justify wider UK site-blocking?   torrentfreak.com/uk-govt-... · Posted by u/gloxkiqcza
IanCal · a day ago
I'm not a fan of the OSA but proponents of it will *keep winning* if you *keep misrepresenting it*.

You can, and should, argue about the effects but the core of the OSA and how it can be sold is this, at several different levels:

One, most detailed.

Sites that provide user to user services have some level of duty of care to their users, like physical sites and events.

They should do risk assessments to see if their users are at risk of getting harmed, like physical sites and events.

They should implement mitigations based on those risk assessments. Not to completely remove all possibility of harm, but to lower it.

For example, sites where kids can talk to each other in private chats should have ways of kids reporting adults and moderators to review those reports. Sites where you can share pictures should check for people sharing child porn (if you have a way of a userbase sharing encrypted images with each other anonymously, you're going to get child porn on there). Sites aimed at adults with public conversations like some hobby site with no history of issues and someone checking for spam/etc doesn't need to do much.

You should re-check things once a year.

That's the selling point - and as much as we can argue about second order effects (like having a list of IDs and what you've watched, overhead etc), those statements don't on the face of it seem objectionable.

Two, shorter.

Sites should be responsible about what they do just like shops and other spaces, with risk assessments and more focus when there are kids involved.

Three, shortest.

Facebook should make sure people aren't grooming your kids.

Now, the problem with talking about " a total surveillance police state, where all speech is monitored," is where does that fit into the explanations above? How do you explain that to even me, a highly technical, terminally online nerd who has read at least a decent chunk of the actual OFCOM guidelines?

alansammarone · a day ago
This is mostly true. It fails to mention "is the user a kid" is unverifiable without imposing identify verification, which implies that all speech (which is already monitored) is now self-censored, effectively turning the state in a surveillance state. You don't need to be throwing people in jail for that, having a credible means of identifying anyone online is enough.
alansammarone commented on Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity   elliotcsmith.com/linkedin... · Posted by u/smitec
terminalshort · 9 days ago
Why would someone who isn't an engineer look at Github? That gives them no information about the quality of the product.
alansammarone · 9 days ago
It literally contains as much information as anybody could potentially hope for (public information anyhow - excluding interviews and the like). If they happen not to be able to distinguish between a “page does not exist” (90%~ of cases IME, ie no GH account), or their ego is so inflated that they cant be bothered to spend 2mins asking their CTO (or dont even have one or trust them), thats a different story and its on them. The signal is there.
alansammarone commented on When did AI take over Hacker News?   zachperk.com/blog/when-di... · Posted by u/zachperkel
midzer · 9 days ago
And when you critizise AI you get downvotes. Non-AI posts rarely get any upvotes.

Sad times...

alansammarone · 9 days ago
Not my experience. Whenever I voice my view, which is that ChatGPT is way more engaging and accurate than the average specimen of the homo sapiens class (these are a funny, primitive species of carbon-based turing machine evolved in some galaxy somewhere), I get downvoted
alansammarone commented on When did AI take over Hacker News?   zachperk.com/blog/when-di... · Posted by u/zachperkel
alansammarone · 9 days ago
Im guessing it took over around the time it became more convenient, reliable, accurate, pleasant and consistently present than the average human being, but it could have been later.
alansammarone commented on Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity   elliotcsmith.com/linkedin... · Posted by u/smitec
simianwords · 9 days ago
You are completely exaggerating and pointing out edge cases. Sure sometimes advertising can be harmful and there are laws against false advertising. But in general it is helpful and provides value. For instance I personally like it when I 'm shown a relevant advertisement which actually convinces me to purchase it. Just recently I saw some advertisement on Instagram related to some concert near where I live. It was actually relevant and I considered purchasing a ticket.

You can always exaggerate and cherry pick bad instances from anything. What you are doing is similar to this. There were a few Samsung phones that blew up and caused injury. You now characterise all phones as being harmful and dangerous to society.

alansammarone · 9 days ago
Not an edge case at all - phones blowing up is not what we're talking about. The absence of "we spent less than 10% of our budget on cyber security (in fact, we proud ourselves in having less than 5 cyber security experts on the team, and our release cycle is very quick - we don't really listen to the nerds when they say they need more time!), so unless you'd rather avoid a 15 year old kid from Russia completely owning all of your personal data, our product is the most cost effective option! Also, we used existing circuit boards, so our phone's innovation is mostly on the cost side - we managed to make it dirty cheap for you. What are you waiting for?" is what we're talking about.
alansammarone commented on Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity   elliotcsmith.com/linkedin... · Posted by u/smitec
tayo42 · 9 days ago
You have to advertise to some degree otherwise no one will even know what your product is
alansammarone · 9 days ago
Id like to believe people have enough agency to do a google search to at least figure out their options, but granted, I might be wrong about that.

Edit: I do agree you should have a google-findable website which lists the objective characteristics of your product. If you call that advertising (I call it a "release", and I reserve the word "ad" for anything that has emotional appeal and caters to the indifferent/uninformed), then I agree.

alansammarone commented on Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity   elliotcsmith.com/linkedin... · Posted by u/smitec
simianwords · 9 days ago
The specs are not objective in the correct sense. They are just signals that you can later verify.. like all things. Everything has an accuracy number beside it - what makes you think the specs are to be believed?
alansammarone · 9 days ago
True, agreed. But thats besides the point. For the purposes of this thread, if an ad contains text/information thats well defined enough to be verifiable/falsifiable in principle, thats better than 98% of the “ads” I see on Linkedin (or anywhere else for that matter). “We focus on building reliable, trustworthy AI” is not an example of that unless the CEO finds a way to, or makes an effort towards, providing a method for us to verify that.
alansammarone commented on Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity   elliotcsmith.com/linkedin... · Posted by u/smitec
samiv · 9 days ago
"When an incompetent developer stumbles onto a successful idea an infinity of shit is created."

I agree with you. Sometimes simply being the first mover businesses/solutions/software get name recognition and an unfair(?) advantage that greatly diminishes overall value by blocking better products from emerging.

To put if fairly, some things are so bad it'd be an improvement NOT to have them, so someone else could do a better job and everyone would be better off. Examples.. Emscripten, Python, Bluetooth, Chromecast, any IoT device so far created..

alansammarone · 9 days ago
You don't need to drag Python into this now :P

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