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_hypx commented on Cory Doctorow: ‘We do not have fast companies anymore’   fastcompany.com/90956618/... · Posted by u/meiraleal
vGPU · 2 years ago
It helps when the CIA and their unlimited bankroll pays for it. The CIA literally paid for the development of JP-7 and built Area 51 for the U2.
_hypx · 2 years ago
They also expected some percentage of pilots to die during development. That is no longer acceptable.

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_hypx commented on Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges   fortune.com/2023/09/14/vw... · Posted by u/Fervicus
panick21_ · 2 years ago
> that includes the majority of automotive engineers

That is hilariously untrue. Even compared to your usual nonsense.

> If the car industry was given a democratic choice, it will pivot to hydrogen as the future.

In Germany the govenrment wanted to enact more pro-hydrogen polices and the car makers literally told them not to it was a waste of time.

And of course we had many periods, in the US, Europe and Japan where hydrogen was favored and pushed by the govenrment and a grand total of nothing came from it. The German government has spent 100s of millions on hydrogen cars alone, let alone other hydrogen projects. I don't even want to know how much Japan spent.

Reality is many of the subsidies world wide are not for BEV specifically but apply to lots of zero emission vehicles. You simply can't deal with the reality that hydrogen vehicles are pointless nonsense that no sane person would ever try push and BEV have trounced them in every way imaginable.

So lets see what all the hydrogen subsidies and clean vehicle subsidies have amount to:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E81i9OgWEAAcmSp?format=jpg&name=...

But that was from 2020, so you say that Hydrogen cars must have pickup up since then:

https://www.ev-volumes.com/

> Sales of Fuel Cell Vehicles (FCEV) in the light vehicle sector have declined by -25 % so far and stay below 20 000 units annually. Current sales are from 5 vehicle models and most sales are in South Korea and USA. We estimate their current population to ca 60 000 units.

and

> BEVs reaching 10 million units

But I'm sure the 10 million vs 20k is totally just government subsidies.

It really takes next level delusion to think hydorgen cars are the future. Even pretty much all the former pro hydrogen car makers have given up. Its positively laughable that you keep believing in this.

_hypx · 2 years ago
The car makers are not "democratic." It is mostly a handful of out-of-touch executives forcing everyone to go their way. A lot of is driven by the PR fallout of dieselgate too. The line workers and engineers are not on-board. Also, if you listen carefully you'll realize that most executives are not on-board either. The CEO of Stellantis have repeated questioned the direction of the BEV mandate.

And of course, they are quietly sabotaging everything behind the scenes. There's a reason why there is a e-fuel exception, and why the UK sudden moved the deadline back 5 years. There is not much real support behind the scene. I expect the BEV mandates to be abandoned in due time.

Note that FCEV subsidies didn't really exist in the past, outside of tangential subsidies that targeted at all green cars. The real target would be refueling subsidies and deployment of infrastructure, which have only recently started to happen.

What you're doing is regurgitating the same anti-EV argument used against BEVs. Remember, BEVs were at nearly zero before the mid-2000s. And compared to the ICE market, it is still tiny and mostly irrelevant. The moment the government take hydrogen cars more seriously, it will take off.

It's also worth noting that diesel got to >50% of the market in Europe before rapidly dying off. It could easily happen to BEVs too. It is not a real, organic market. It is mostly due to subsidies and heavy-handed government mandates forcing companies to make them. Take that away and the market will disappear just like it did with diesel cars.

Finally, the tides are starting to turn. You are repeat claims that in direct contradiction to the OP itself. A sign you aren't even paying attention before spamming your BEV propaganda. People are starting to lose faith in BEVs, and the problems will get louder over time.

_hypx commented on Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges   fortune.com/2023/09/14/vw... · Posted by u/Fervicus
_hypx · 2 years ago
And you're just a brainwashed BEV fanatic. Time to give up on Chinese Communist propaganda. The whole thing is a giant scam and it is destined to fail.
_hypx commented on Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges   fortune.com/2023/09/14/vw... · Posted by u/Fervicus
protastus · 2 years ago
Traditional automakers largely got trapped in the innovator's dilemma. China had no attachment to ICE technology and skipped straight to BEV. Dieselgate was a blessing to VW because it forced them to discuss BEVs to save face.

Europe leads the world in legislation and regulation, both good and bad. Their labor laws are the strongest in the world. Manufacturing in Europe can't compete on price, and the price disparity will be significant, so they will regulate and tax imports.

_hypx · 2 years ago
China is imposing a government mandate on its car industry. It is a top-down solution that is reminiscence of the Soviet Union. If you actually looked closely, you'll that there is a mountain of question businesses tried to extract subsidies from the government.

In reality, China's BEV strategy is going to be disrupted and will be wiped out. It is pursuing a dead end technology that few people want. It will only take a zero emissions technology that costs a lot less to finish off their BEV strategy.

_hypx commented on Volkswagen cuts jobs as demand for EVs plunges   fortune.com/2023/09/14/vw... · Posted by u/Fervicus
siffland · 2 years ago
Working in Tech, I love a lot about electric cars. I just have a few issues I cannot seem to overcome (this is a personal ME thing about EV's and some new gas vehicles, your mileage may vary....pun intended).

All new cars spy on you (well most do), but EV's are completely software driven and seem to be more intrusive. I want a car I can connect to the internet when I want to for updates and that is it. I also want android auto and the apple one for my wife, I do not want a proprietary (Tesla) entertainment system.

I want right to repair. It is my car if I spend that much on it, I want to do to it whatever I want.

I want all the equipment in the car to work when i purchase it and no monthly fees (I get it for XM Radio, I am talking like seat heaters and such).

For some reason it also irritates me Tesla can increase mileage with a flip of a switch (Like they were going to do in Florida for a hurricane a while back). So you are telling me they could of been build with smaller batteries and save money and the environment, but they were not so you could have a software upgrade (or was that a monthly payment as well). Also the fact Tesla can remote disable my vehicle, and purchased upgrades do not transfer to the new owner.

I can probably go on and on with my whining, but that is why i still have 2 gas guzzlers and a motorcycle (newest vehicle is 2008, 2005 Honda van has 270,000 miles on it). They are paid for an yes a little maintenance here and there but that is not enough to make me spend $30k + on an electric vehicle.

_hypx · 2 years ago
BEVs are a dead end technology because they are far more expensive than the cars they are replacing. There is no way this market is going to survive once the subsidies and government support ends. People with brains are finally realizing that it is time to move on and towards some other technology.

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