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_game_of_life commented on Depression is more than low mood, it’s a change of consciousness   psyche.co/ideas/depressio... · Posted by u/kvee
romwell · 4 years ago
Yeah, let's spread this out-of-context take on depression from someone who is not a mental health professional.

Fucking bullshit.

Depression lies to you. And, once you live with it long enough, you know it lies to you.

You know that the voice that tells you that nothing is worth doing is not speaking truly.

You know that the voice that says that there's nothing, absolutely nothing that will ever bring joy to you, and that there is nothing to look forward to, neither tomorrow nor any time in the future - you know it's not speaking truly.

You know that the voice that tells you that you are worthless, that you are a burden, that you are nothing but a disappointment and a waste of everything that was given to you, and everyone would have been better off if you removed yourself from that equation because all you do is let everyone else down - you know that that voice is lying to you.

Often enough you know it's lying, in particular, about you being not just unworthy of love, but inherently unlovable because people who love you tell you they do, and you know they are speaking the truth.

You know that voice is lying, and yet you believe it, you believe it as strongly as anything can be believed, and you wave away everyone else.

That's the bitch part of depression: you can't logic it away. You know your brain is sabotaging you, and you just roll along until, for whatever reason, you can't anymore.

And yet even after bouncing up from that abyss, the next time you end up there, that voice will sounds as convincing as it ever did.

_game_of_life · 4 years ago
I have fallen into many pits of depression over almost 20 years now, even now I am struggling to get out of a deep one. Seems this is just a cycle in my life, unfortunately.

You can't logic yourself out of beliefs, I completely get that. Once you realize how depressed you are, you're usually also mired in terrible thoughts and negativity.

But in my experience, I HAVE to try to logic myself out of patterns of behaviors. I also need to fight those beliefs, as futile as it seems. Hear me out here:

I think one of the most toxic things was when I thought it was a chemical imbalance completely out of my control -- so there was nothing I could do but take pills and passively wait for my brain chemistry to correct itself.

I have recovered from like 4 or 5 episodes of major depression now, and the key for me every time has been a) realizing I'm depressed b) waiting for/creating a day when I have the energy to think and address this, and then c) reflecting on and fighting against thoughts and behaviours extending/reinforcing the depression.

Obviously this is a messy and inefficient process with a lot of slippage. And maybe it doesn't work for other people, or maybe I've got something else wrong with me than just major depression, and that's why it works.

Anyways, not trying to invalidate your experience, just sharing what I've found works for me.

_game_of_life commented on The Concept of the Ruliad   writings.stephenwolfram.c... · Posted by u/nsoonhui
ironSkillet · 4 years ago
I'll wait for this to be formalized with precise technical language before really giving it weight. Until then, to me it sounds a lot like the kind of "profound" philosophical stuff I would come up with while high in grad school ha. And once I was out of the hazy stupor, there was nothing concrete and precise I could build out of the ideas.
_game_of_life · 4 years ago
Probably wise. Also relatable, I have tons of old notes of ideas at some point I thought were potentially profound, only to realize they were half-baked and/or already explored.

I'm still waiting on my "new kind of science." Wolfram makes all sorts of interesting claims, maybe he should focus more on interesting results.

_game_of_life commented on CBT Harmed Me: The Interview That the New York Times Erased   disabilityvisibilityproje... · Posted by u/bryanrasmussen
treis · 4 years ago
Your misrepresenting the data. Your first link says:

>CBT is significantly more effective than no therapy in reducing symptoms of anxiety in children and young people.

>No clear evidence indicates that one way of providing CBT is more effective than another (e.g. in a group, individually, with parents).

>CBT is no more effective than other 'active therapies' such as self-help books.

_game_of_life · 4 years ago
How have I misrepresented it by saying it is as effective as a self-help book?

The thing about therapy, is that you usually want benefits to last for a duration that makes the effort put in worthwhile.

>Only four studies looked at longer-term outcomes after CBT.

>No clear evidence showed maintained improvement in symptoms of anxiety among children and young people.

If you take a look at the results further they conclude:

>The few controlled follow-up studies (n = 4) indicate that treatment gains in the remission of anxiety diagnosis are not statistically significant.

I'd like to remind you that "significant" in the context of a meta-analysis means "statistically significant." If something performs at the level of a self-help book, most lay people would agree that is not a very effective treatment, even if it has a statistically significant impact.

_game_of_life commented on CBT Harmed Me: The Interview That the New York Times Erased   disabilityvisibilityproje... · Posted by u/bryanrasmussen
ajb · 4 years ago
Psychological Therapy, of any kind, has an intrinsic dilemma:

* Because the therapy is asking the patient to do something that, at some level they don't want to do and think is going to be painful, therapists generally have to exert significant effort to persuade the patient to continue to the point where they benefit.

* Most (all?) Psychological therapies have a high failure rate. A significant fraction of the patients won't be helped, and so the persuasion above is harming a large fraction of patients (the opportunity cost of a failed therapy, which generally takes months, is huge)

I have not seen this problem acknowledged at all by the psychological professions. There ought to be a good deal of research into how to decide the optimal stopping point, and making sure that the operation of a therapy causes the least possible harm to those is doesn't help. But my impression is that the cognitive dissonance of delivering an intervention that will help some, but expensively fail many, is too much for most therapists. They generally continue to believe that the patient would be helped if they held on for long enough, and don't provide any support for a rational process for deciding when to give up on a given approach, resulting in the kind of gaslighting and blaming described here.

_game_of_life · 4 years ago
Speaking from experience, you analysis is spot on and this is a very common coping method in social work as well.

It is done because otherwise in the 9/10 cases where things do not improve, you feel you have failed. Much easier if the client fails you instead.

You can tell yourself, "well, maybe next time they'll get better -- after all, it takes many relapses before people kick a drug habit!"

This is a lot easier to swallow than "Oh god this stuff barely is working at all, I'm mostly just a gigantic resource suck and the money I'm paid would be much better spent getting this person stable housing and other support--but that's a lot less attractive to tax payers."

I got out of social work when I had that realization. Initially I coped by saying I was a "Good Person" in a helping profession, so I never looked too deeply into whether any of this horse shit actually was "evidence-based."

Every Psych 101 class should cover the current findings on efficacy of psychotherapies. But they never do, for obvious reasons.

_game_of_life commented on CBT Harmed Me: The Interview That the New York Times Erased   disabilityvisibilityproje... · Posted by u/bryanrasmussen
_game_of_life · 4 years ago
I mean... I don't agree with "harmed," the author's tone, or the title alleging some sort of coverup, but otherwise, Yeah, of course.

If you look at a longitudinal, high-quality trial (or meta-analysis, since you'd be very lucky to find any of these) of ANY psychotherapy for a specific problem, they are all pretty underwhelming in terms of efficacy.

Even CBT for conditions like anxiety in youth is poorly supported. This one, for example, shows that it is no more effective than a self-help book:

https://www.cochrane.org/CD004690/DEPRESSN_cognitive-behavio...

You can also see the similar conclusions in these meta-analysis:

https://www.cochrane.org/CD008712/SCHIZ_cognitive-behavioura...

https://www.cochrane.org/CD012614/ENT_cognitive-behavioural-...

I think it is important to realize that medications and therapies for most psychological illnesses are not particularly effective.

We try them because they are still better than doing nothing at all.

There also seems to be decent evidence that receiving empathy and compassion from therapists is more effective than their mode of therapy (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_factors_theory).

I have often seen in the mental health industry, people overstating the efficacy of treatments. CBT and anti-depressants are particularly bad offenders.

_game_of_life commented on Deldo is a sex toy control and teledildonics mode for Emacs   github.com/qdot/deldo... · Posted by u/sillysaurusx
_game_of_life · 4 years ago
Serious question -- How do you nominate someone for a Turing award?
_game_of_life commented on Email from FBI Looks Odd   old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin... · Posted by u/jacksoncloud
yonaguska · 4 years ago
Tangentially related, but the FBI needs to be disbanded. At least the DC offices, which are simply a political police force at this point. This is just another example of incompetence on their part.
_game_of_life · 4 years ago
So what would you suggest to replace it? Obviously there needs to be some federal law enforcement agency...

And as much as their past has portions that are super fucked up, wasn't that also a reflection of American society at the time?

I just think that for as much harm as the FBI historically caused, they've also busted enormous criminal rings and done a lot to reduce organized crime. I genuinely think Americans would be worse of without them, even with my bias as a leftist that typically loathes alphabet soup surviellance agencies.

_game_of_life commented on Monty Python Comedian John Cleese Cancels Himself “Before Someone Else Does”   summit.news/2021/11/12/mo... · Posted by u/tomohawk
_game_of_life · 4 years ago
Oh wow, summit.news! Those other headlines are stellar, be sure to give them a look. What's next for HN, Breitbart?

I love the topic too, a comedian whining about "cancel culture."

So great. Sparks joy. Definitely not a tired subject, more please!

_game_of_life commented on GPT-3 is no longer the only game in town   lastweekin.ai/p/gpt-3-is-... · Posted by u/sebg
goodside · 4 years ago
“I would challenge you to name any (non-simple) problem where traditional AI methods are still state of the art.”

Lossless file compression. As far as I know none of the algorithms in widespread use are neural-based, despite the fact that compression is clearly a rich statistical modeling problem, at least on par with GPT-3-style language understanding in difficulty. There are published attempts to solve the problem with neural networks, but they simply don’t work well enough to date. Modern solutions also still use old-fashioned AI ingredients like compiled dictionaries of common natural-language words — any other domain where nat-lang dictionaries are useful has been conquered by neural solutions, e.g. spelling and grammar checkers.

_game_of_life · 4 years ago
I'm far from an expert in this subject but doesn't this ranking of large text compression algorithms with NNCP coming first suggest that neural-nets are pretty great at compression?

http://mattmahoney.net/dc/text.html

https://bellard.org/nncp/

I don't see examples of high performing symbolic AI based compression algorithms anywhere, but again I am very ignorant, do you have examples?

_game_of_life commented on Pop _OS to use it own desktop environment, written in Rust   old.reddit.com/r/pop_os/c... · Posted by u/tuananh
panick21_ · 4 years ago
The lead engineer of System76 is the guy doing RedoxOS and lots of firmware in Rust as well.

I would not be surprised if this new DE will serve for both Linux and RedoxOS.

_game_of_life · 4 years ago
Fork yeah, that's very exciting, thank you for the info.

I'm not a Rustacean but these memory related CVEs need to stop. Any small steps toward a memory safe(r) OS is good news to me!

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