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Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia was in read-only mode following mass admin account compromise   wikimediastatus.net... · Posted by u/greyface-
gucci-on-fleek · 3 hours ago
> Any user with "interface administrator" status can change global JavaScript or CSS for all users on a given Wiki with no review.

True, but there aren't very many interface administrators. It looks like there are only 137 right now [0], which I agree is probably more than there should be, but that's still a relatively small number compared to the total number of active users. But there are lots of bots/duplicates in that list too, so the real number is likely quite a bit smaller. Plus, most of the users in that list are employed by Wikimedia, which presumably means that they're fairly well vetted.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&...

Wikipedianon · 31 minutes ago
There shouldn't be any interface admins as such. There should be an enforced review process for changes to global JavaScript so stuff like this can't happen.

I'm sure there are Google engineers who can push changes to prod and bypass CI but that isn't a normal way to handle infra.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia was in read-only mode following mass admin account compromise   wikimediastatus.net... · Posted by u/greyface-
formerly_proven · 5 hours ago
Wikipedia admins are not IT admins, they're more like forum moderators or admins on a free phpBB 2 hosting service in 2005. They don't have "admin" access to backend systems. Those are the WMF sysadmins.
Wikipedianon · 4 hours ago
This is half true, because Wikipedia admins had the ability to edit sitewide JavaScript until 2018.

A certain number of "community" admins maintain that right to this day after it was realized this was a massive security hole.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia was in read-only mode following mass admin account compromise   wikimediastatus.net... · Posted by u/greyface-
_verandaguy · 4 hours ago

    > Based on the fact user scripts are globally disabled now I'm guessing this was a vector.
Disabled at which level?

Browsers still allow for user scripts via tools like TamperMonkey and GreaseMonkey, and that's not enforceable (and arguably, not even trivially visible) to sites, including Wikipedia.

As I say that out loud, I figure there's a separate ecosystem of Wikipedia-specific user scripts, but arguably the same problem exists.

Wikipedianon · 4 hours ago
The sitewide JavaScript/CSS is an editable Wiki page.

You can also upload scripts to be shared and executed by other users.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia was in read-only mode following mass admin account compromise   wikimediastatus.net... · Posted by u/greyface-
RGamma · 5 hours ago
Seems like a good time to donate one's resources to fix it. The internet is super hostile these days. If Wikipedia falls... well...
Wikipedianon · 4 hours ago
It's a political issue. Editors are unwilling or unable to contribute to development of the features they need to edit.

Unfortunately, Wikipedia is run on insecure user scripts created by volunteers that tend to be under the age of 18.

There might be more editors trying to resume boost if editing Wikipedia under your real name didn't invite endless harassment.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia was in read-only mode following mass admin account compromise   wikimediastatus.net... · Posted by u/greyface-
Wikipedianon · 7 hours ago
This was only a matter of time.

The Wikipedia community takes a cavalier attitude towards security. Any user with "interface administrator" status can change global JavaScript or CSS for all users on a given Wiki with no review. They added mandatory 2FA only a few years ago...

Prior to this, any admin had that ability until it was taken away due to English Wikipedia admins reverting Wikimedia changes to site presentation (Mediaviewer).

But that's not all. Most "power users" and admins install "user scripts", which are unsandboxed JavaScript/CSS gadgets that can completely change the operation of the site. Those user scripts are often maintained by long abandoned user accounts with no 2 factor authentication.

Based on the fact user scripts are globally disabled now I'm guessing this was a vector.

The Wikimedia foundation knows this is a security nightmare. I've certainly complained about this when I was an editor.

But most editors that use the website are not professional developers and view attempts to lock down scripting as a power grab by the Wikimedia Foundation.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks   theverge.com/cs/features/... · Posted by u/leotravis10
NoMoreNicksLeft · 6 months ago
This is like claiming that you didn't key someone's car, because the scratches weren't signed with your signature.

No one doxxing others in that particular clique is going to do it from anything other than a burner account.

Wikipedianon · 6 months ago
"No one doxxing others in that particular clique is going to do it from anything other than a burner account."

This is incorrect.

many do it with accounts linked to their real onwiki profiles. jps is an example and I provided a link to unambiguous doxxing:

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=14172

They've been doing it since 2016 when they started an" alt-right identification thread":

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8031

Others use accounts linked to their onwiki personas to ask for doxx. e.g. AndyTheGrump is a well-known user who posts in the "alt-right identification thread" about someone they dislike and getting a quick response. Here's AndyTheGrump asking for doxx on a user named "BlueGraf".

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8031&p...

Quickly followed up with that individuals full name and employment.

And many editors/admins participate in those doxxing threads to gawk or have fun under their real usernames.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks   theverge.com/cs/features/... · Posted by u/leotravis10
justiciar9 · 6 months ago
That’s hardly doxxing. Asking if two publicly visible usernames might be related is hardly alarming.
Wikipedianon · 6 months ago
What about the part where they revealed the full name of the person allegedly behind the two usernames?

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Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks   theverge.com/cs/features/... · Posted by u/leotravis10
IAmBroom · 6 months ago
Also, the poster "Wikipedianon" makes Tu Quoque fallacies. The fact that some Wikipedia editors have engaged in doxxing of others doesn't make it less of a problem for the government to do so.

Unsurprisingly, "Wikipedianon" is a hit-and-run profile created just for this post, AFAICT.

Wikipedianon · 6 months ago
it's a hit-and-run because I don't want to get doxxed.

I dont want a world in which Trump regulates Wikipedia but pretending it's sunshine and rainbows is a joke at this point.

And the person you're replying to is strawmanning. I never said Beeblebrox doxxed anyone, just that they leaked secret information on a doxxing forum in violation of Wikipolicy and possibly privacy law.

Wikipedianon commented on Wikipedia survives while the rest of the internet breaks   theverge.com/cs/features/... · Posted by u/leotravis10
howenterprisey · 6 months ago
Hi. I was an arbitrator who voted to suspend that arbitrator. There was no doxxing involved, which anyone can verify. Barely anything else in your comment is correct either. Doxxing is an issue but from where I sit it's much worse from people outside Wikipedia.
Wikipedianon · 6 months ago
Beeblebrox leaked internal mailing list messages to a forum known for doxxing in violation of the NDA they signed.

i know that Beeblebrox did not doxx anyone and I said that in my comment. my point is leaking information to a doxxing forum sends the wrong message and is dangerous.

Maybe you should create an account and look at the "Wikimedian Folks Too Embarrassing for Public Viewing" forum and get back to me. Or do something about it before the Trump administration uses this as an excuse to censor enwiki. Either way here are some excerpts if you don't want to.

From the first page, here's an active editor (iii, known as jps or ජපස) doxxing someone about UFOs. I took out the names to be polite but it's all there:

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=14172

"Is [username 1] (T-C-L) an alt account of [username 2] (T-C-L)?

For those who are not aware, [username2] is the name of an account used by one [redacted] on various platforms up until about 2024 when he more or less abandoned them. That account also was involved in the ongoing game of accusing [redacted] (T-H-L) of being [redacted] (T-C-L) which is about as fairly ludicrous an attempt at matching a Wikipedia username as I've ever seen.

Anyway, I feel like maybe he thought "If [__] can do it, so can I." And maybe that's the origin of the VPP.

Oh, this is about UFOs. Yeah, I'm in the shit. Maybe someone can link to some other stuff for you to read, but I just want to drop this here because I have nowhere else I get to speculate on these matters and everyone loves a good conspiracy theory data dump from time to time "

Here's the thread "Who is Wikipedia editor i.am.qwerty"

https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=13821

"I.am.a.qwerty (T-C-L) gathered up a bunch of those articles and some earlier material to create Wikipedia and antisemitism..."

It goes on:

"But who is I.am.a.qwerty? Let's suppose, just for the sake of argument, that I.a.am.a.qwerty is a PhD student named [real name]. Specifically, this [real name]:"

    "[real name] is a PhD candidate [major] at [university name]. He received his BA (Hons) in [major] from [university]. Previously [real name] received his rabbinical ordination from the [other school] in [location] in [year]. [real name] is also the [job title] at [organization]."
I can't imagine any other community tolerating its members going on KiwiFarms and encouraging doxxing of other community members, so long as they didn't technically engage in it. But Wikipedia does.

u/Wikipedianon

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