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Throwagainaway commented on Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War anthropic.com/news/statem... · Posted by u/qwertox

aidis9136264 · 18 days ago

Enemies will have AI powered weapons. We need to be at the cutting edge of capability.

Throwagainaway · 18 days ago

I don't know where you might get your info from but Anthropic has only denied using Autonomous AI to kill humans without anyone pressing a button/having some liabilty on and mass surveillance.

I don't think that your point makes sense especially when you can have enemies within your own administration/country who can use the same weapons to hunt you.

I don't think that the people operating the drones are a bottleneck for a war between your country and your enemies but rather its a bottleneck for a war between your country and its people. The bottleneck is of morality as you would find less people willing to do the same atrocities to their own community but terminator style AI is an orphan with no community ie. it has no problem following any orders from the govt. and THIS is the core of the argument because Anthropic has safeguards to reject such orders and DOD is threatening to essentially kill the company by invoking many laws to force it to give.

Throwagainaway commented on Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War anthropic.com/news/statem... · Posted by u/qwertox

scottyah · 19 days ago

Considering he slept naked with his grandniece (he was in his 70s, she was 17), I'd say there are a lot of them in the corporate world. Though probably more in politics.

Throwagainaway · 18 days ago

I think I am paraphrasing some hackernews discussion that I saw about it prior but The problem with gandhi was that he was so focused in idealism and that translates into somehow a utilitarian line of thinking to this thing which is of course a very despicable and vile thing for him to do.

There have been quite a lot discussions about this itself on Gandhi here on Hackernews as well.

Gandhi itself became the face of satyagrah movement considering he started it but that movement only had values because of many important people joining in.

Here is a quote from Martin Luther King Jr that I found about satyagrah from wikipedia

Like most people, I had heard of Gandhi, but I had never studied him seriously. As I read I became deeply fascinated by his campaigns of nonviolent resistance. I was particularly moved by his Salt March to the Sea and his numerous fasts. The whole concept of Satyagraha (Satya is truth which equals love, and agraha is force; Satyagraha, therefore, means truth force or love force) was profoundly significant to me. As I delved deeper into the philosophy of Gandhi, my skepticism concerning the power of love gradually diminished, and I came to see for the first time its potency in the area of social reform. ... It was in this Gandhian emphasis on love and nonviolence that I discovered the method for social reform that I had been seeking.[25]

It's better to wish for more satyagrahis to be named but I don't think that the western media might catch on to it.

Ghaffar Khan, Sarojini Naidu, Vinoba Bhave are all people who I think have a simple life history while being from different religions and castes and genders while adhering to the philosophy of satyagrah.

That being said, Satyagrah might not work in the current contexts because Britain was only able to rule India with the help of Indians which was why satyagrah movement was so successful. But if, the govt can get hands onto autonomous drones capable of killing civilians and mass surveilance then satyagrah might not work as much in the near future

(the two things Anthropic is denying to provide to the DOD, vis-a-vis the article itself)

I don't think Anthropic is a great company, it certainly has its flaws but I do think that it is very admirable of them to stand even when the govt.s is essentially saying to follow them or they will literally kill the business with the 3-4 national security laws that they are proposing to invoke on Anthropic.

I do urge to say satyagrah or mention other peaceful protests because usually whenever people talk about gandhi now, this discussion is bound to come which really alienates from the original thing at times. It was the collective efforts of the blood of so so many Indian leaders for India to gain independence.

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Gigachad · 22 days ago

Isn't this somewhat like how these new crypto prediction markets work? There is no house taking a cut, all of the winnings get paid out.

Throwagainaway · 22 days ago

with their 5 minute crypto thing, its almost gambling at this point but there is still the point of dakolli which I myself couldn't have written better.

My point is that maybe federated casino where there is no casino but sort of p2p on a completely fair 50/50 dice of sorts similar to how casinos operate would be more beneficial than casinos existing with their 3% cuts and the house3% always winning.

At the very least, its possible to do so and similar to Kalshi/Polymarket I feel like its definitely possible.

I don't want to EVER touch gambling but I think its addicting and maybe it can atleast help the addicts if they are in a fair game compared to a rigged game towards the house.

Throwagainaway commented on Mathematicians disagree on the essential structure of the complex numbers (2024) infinitelymore.xyz/p/comp... · Posted by u/FillMaths

CGMthrowaway · a month ago

We have too much mental baggage about what a "number" is.

Real numbers function as magnitudes or objects, while complex numbers function as coordinatizations - a way of packaging structure that exists independently of them, e.g. rotations in SO(2) together with scaling). Complex numbers are a choice of coordinates on structure that exists independently of them. They are bookkeeping (a la double‑entry accounting) not money

Throwagainaway · a month ago

> We have too much mental baggage about what a "number" is.

I do feel like when I was young or when I tried to teach some of my neighbour's daughter something once.

At some point, one just has to accept it when they are young.

It's sort of a pattern, you really can't explain it to them. You can just show them and if they don't understand, then just repeat it. You really can't explain say complex numbers or philosophy or even negative numbers or decimals.

A lot of it is visual. I see one apple and then the teacher added one more and calls it two.

Its even hard for me to explain this right now because the very sentence that I am trying to say requires me to say one and two so on and this is the very thing that the children are taught to learn. So I can't really say one apple without saying one but I think that now my point is that I couldnt have said one without seeing one apple in the first place.

Then came some half bit apples which we started calling fractions and mixed fractions and then we got taught of a magic dot to convert fractions -> decimals -> rationals -> real numbers / exponents -> complex numbers -> (??)

A lot of the times atleast in schooling I feel like one just has to accept them the way they are because you really cant get philosophical about them or necessarily have the privilege or intellectual ability to do so.

We are systematically given mental baggage about what a number is because for 99.9% use cases that's probably enough (Accounting and literally even shopkeeping or just the whole world revolves around numbers and we all know it)

I honestly don't know what I am typing right now. I am writing whatever I am thinking but I thought about that we aren't the only ones like this.

We might think we are special in this but Crows are really intelligent as well (a little funny but I saw a cronelius shorts channel and If this sort of humour entertains you, I will link their channel as well)

I searched if crows can count numbers and found this article https://www.npr.org/2024/07/18/g-s1-9773/crows-count-out-lou...

And I Found this to be pretty interesting to maybe share. Maybe even after all of this/all development made, we are still made of flesh & still similar to our peers at animal kingdom and they might be as smart as some toddlers when we were first taught what numbers are and maybe they are capable of learning these mythical abstract baggage and we humans are capable of transferring/training others with this mental baggage not necessarily even being humans (Crows in this case)

It's always sad to see how humanity ignores other animals sometimes.

We might have created weapons of mass destructions, went to moon and back but we as a society are still restricted by basic human guilts/flaws which I feel like are inevitable whether the society is large & connected creating different types of flaws & also the same when its small & hunter-gathering oriented.

It's really these issues combined with whenever some real problems comes with us that we push for the next generation and so on and so on and then later we try to find scapegoats and do wars and just struggle but once again the struggle is felt the most by a middle class or the poor.

The rules of the game of life are still/might still be fundamentally broken but we are taught to accept it when we are young in a similar fashion to numbers which might be broken too if you stare too long into them.

But I guess there's hope because the system still has love and moments of intimacy and we have improved from past, perhaps we can improve in future as well. One can be sad and depressed about current realities or if the future looks bleak. Perhaps it is, perhaps not, only future can tell but the only thing we can do right now is to hopefully stay happy and smile and just pain/suffering is a universal constant in life but maybe one can derive their own meaning of existence withstanding all these hardships and having optimism for a better future and maybe even taking actions in each of our individual ways doing what we do best, doing what we enjoy, spending time with our family/community. Maybe its a cope for a world which is flawed but maybe that's all we need to chug along and maybe leave a footprint in this world when the days are feeling down.

I don't know but lets just be kind to each other. Let's be kind to animals and humans alike. Because I feel like most of us are similar than different and sometimes we feel empty for very minor reasons in which even minor gestures from others might be enough to make us happy again. Let's try to be those others as well and maybe reach out if there's something troubling anyone.

I am really unable to explain myself but my point is that there's still beauty and life's still good even with these flaws. It's kind of like a sine wave and if one would zoom enough they would only see things flat (whether at the top of the curve or at the bottom) but in a reality both are likely. Both are part of life as-is and if one can be happy in both, and still intend to do good just for the good it might do and the sake for it itself, then I feel as if that might be the meaning of life in general.

Can we be happy in just existing? and still do our best to improve our lives and potentially others surrounding us in a community whether its small or large that's besides the point imo

I feel as if we all are in a loop keeping the system of humanity alive while maybe going through some troubles in a more isolationist period at times. We are so connected yet so disconnected at the same time in today's world. This is really the crux of so many issues I feel. We as humanity have so many paradoxical properties but a system will still work as long as not all people question it simultaneously.

I hope this message can atleast make one feel more aware & more like not being in an automatic loop of sorts and sort of snapping out of it & perhaps using this awareness for a more deeper reflection in life itself and maybe finding the will to live or forging it for yourself and periodically going to it to find one's own sense of meaning in a world of meaninglessness.

This has been cathartic for me to write even though I feel as if I might not be able to make it all positive from perhaps despair to optimism but maybe that's the point because I do feel positive in just accepting reality as-is and leaving a foot print in humanity in our own way. Maybe this message is my way of shouting in the world that "hey I exist look at me" but I hope that the deeper reason behind this is because I feel cathartic writing it and perhaps maybe it can be useful to anyone else too.