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ddevault commented on Some Blizzard employees are dreading BlizzCon   latimes.com/business/stor... · Posted by u/partingshots
ddevault · 6 years ago
Paywall workaround?
Sir_Cmpwn commented on Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com   gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gro... · Posted by u/tyteen4a03
thsowers · 6 years ago
Is this supposed to read "misunderstands"? And if not, could you elaborate?
Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
Yes, it was. Thanks, I edited it.
Sir_Cmpwn commented on Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com   gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gro... · Posted by u/tyteen4a03
lbotos · 6 years ago
An email is being sent right now, but emailing at scale... takes time:

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Dear GitLab users and customers,

On October 23, we sent an email entitled “Important Updates to our Terms of Service and Telemetry Services” announcing upcoming changes. Based on considerable feedback from our customers, users, and the broader community, we reversed course the next day and removed those changes before they went into effect. Further, GitLab will commit to not implementing telemetry in our products that sends usage data to a third-party product analytics service. This clearly struck a nerve with our community and I apologize for this mistake.

So, what happened? In an effort to improve our user experience, we decided to implement user behavior tracking with both first and third-party technology. Clearly, our evaluation and communication processes for rolling out a change like this were lacking and we need to improve those processes. But that’s not the main thing we did wrong.

Our main mistake was that we did not live up to our own core value of collaboration by including our users, contributors, and customers in the strategy discussion and, for that, I am truly sorry. It shouldn’t have surprised us that you have strong feelings about opt-in/opt-out decisions, first versus third-party tracking, data protection, security, deployment flexibility and many other topics, and we should have listened first.

So, where do we go from here? The first step is a retrospective that is happening on October 29 to document what went wrong. We are reaching out to customers who expressed concerns and collecting feedback from users and the wider community. We will put together a new proposal for improving the user experience and share it for feedback. We made a mistake by not collaborating, so now we will take as much time as needed to make sure we get this right. You can be part of the collaboration by posting comments in this issue: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/issues/5672 If you are a customer, you may also reach out to your GitLab representative if you have additional feedback.

I am glad you hold GitLab to a higher standard. If we are going to be transparent and collaborative, we need to do it consistently and learn from our mistakes.

Sincerely, Sid Sijbrandij Co-Founder and CEO GitLab

Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
Thanks! That context is sorely needed in their web channels.
Sir_Cmpwn commented on Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com   gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gro... · Posted by u/tyteen4a03
Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
I don't understand, what changed? This was last updated on the 24th. They said they'll be re-evaluating it and returning later, but afaict they haven't made any statements about a blanket cancellation of the telemetry roll-out.
ddevault commented on Gitlab cancels plan on tracking user behavior on GitLab.com   gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gro... · Posted by u/tyteen4a03
zapita · 6 years ago
You may or may not agree with that comment, but it is not nasty. What is nasty, on the other hand, is the vitriolic reaction to it. So far I count 16 "middle finger" emojis, including one with the subtitle "incompentent or malicious CFO". In what world does a disagreement over the right level of telemetry justify this kind of behavior?

It's mind-boggling to me how entitled and aggressive the open-source culture is allowed to be. Does a company like Gitlab really deserve to have its employees publicly insulted in this way, after giving away so much to their users, for free, and being so much more transparent than 99% of tech companies?

At this point I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would go to the trouble of making their product open-source. It's just not worth it.

ddevault · 6 years ago
<disclaimer: founder of a GitLab competitor>

When a C-level fundamentally misunderstands the company's culture and the culture of their target audience, incompotence becomes presumable and maliciousness becomes possible, IMO.

Sir_Cmpwn commented on Sourcehut Q3 2019 Financial Report   sourcehut.org/blog/2019-1... · Posted by u/colinprince
zaarn · 6 years ago
Sadly, not having pull requests, HTML mail and issue tracker is an absolute deal breaker for me, I rely on those for being productive. Otherwise, it's positive to hear that there is some profit made.
Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
Something similar to pull requests is being worked on. I summarized this on Reddit recently:

https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dmkzgv/gitlab_...

There's already a ticket tracker. HTML email isn't going to happen, though.

Sir_Cmpwn commented on Helping newcomers become contributors to open projects   journals.plos.org/ploscom... · Posted by u/rbanffy
Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
There's just one rule which does it for me:

Thanks for your bug report! The next step is to submit a patch fixing the bug. If you need help, ask questions in our chat room at...

Sir_Cmpwn commented on Sourcehut Q3 2019 Financial Report   sourcehut.org/blog/2019-1... · Posted by u/colinprince
spectramax · 6 years ago
How did you get first users to sign up on SH?
Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
I generally use my blog to announce new projects:

https://drewdevault.com

I'd been talking about SourceHut here and there in passing in various blog posts, and reaching out to people to invite them to a private alpha in the months leading up to the public alpha, then the service was somewhat seeded when the public alpha announcement went up:

https://drewdevault.com/2018/11/15/sr.ht-general-availabilit...

Sir_Cmpwn commented on Sourcehut Q3 2019 Financial Report   sourcehut.org/blog/2019-1... · Posted by u/colinprince
elamje · 6 years ago
Cool. Those are definitely useful and interesting. I don’t think I’ve been enough of a GitX power user to need some of those yet, but I’m sure the day will come. I appreciate the no JavaScript these days! I like rich UI’s but I appreciate the minimalism and trying to do cool stuff with just HTML and css.

How were you inspired to tackle this particular project?

Sir_Cmpwn · 6 years ago
The same reason I start all of my projects: it didn't exist and I thought it ought to, so I made it.

u/Sir_Cmpwn

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