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Seenso commented on Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]   courtlistener.com/recap/g... · Posted by u/pera
SolarNet · 6 years ago
Read 18 U.S.C. § 6002 it does not grant blanket immunity. If I testify truthfully and reveal perjury in the past I can be tried for that perjury now.

Again, this violates the 5th amendment.

Seenso · 6 years ago
> Read 18 U.S.C. § 6002 it does not grant blanket immunity. If I testify truthfully and reveal perjury in the past I can be tried for that perjury now.

I think you're reading it wrong. It doesn't grant immunity for perjury committed while testifying under immunity, which is a completely reasonable exception. Without it, a guilty criminal would have no incentive not to give false testimony portraying his guilty friends as innocent.

You might want read this: https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?re...

> Again, this violates the 5th amendment.

That's your opinion, but the Supreme Court's opinion differs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastigar_v._United_States

Seenso commented on Facebook Contractors Must Work in Offices During Coronavirus Pandemic   theintercept.com/2020/03/... · Posted by u/raybb
doitLP · 6 years ago
When is your workplace ever certified disease free?

While you’re at it, file a complaint about them making you drive to work in a car.

Seenso · 6 years ago
> When is your workplace ever certified disease free?

Never, but taking these actions in this situation is definitely negligence at best. It's like running a hospital forcing people to work without providing soap or hand sanitizer.

Seenso commented on Facebook Contractors Must Work in Offices During Coronavirus Pandemic   theintercept.com/2020/03/... · Posted by u/raybb
sjroot · 6 years ago
Facebook is not telling them they have to come into the office. Rather, it’s the contracting companies that these people actually work for. Quite a difference, which is clarified in the first paragraph.
Seenso · 6 years ago
> Facebook is not telling them they have to come into the office. Rather, it’s the contracting companies that these people actually work for.

Though that's one of the benefits of outsourcing: you get all the benefits of squeezing your workers to the maximum (which helps the bottom line), while still having deniability for PR purposes.

Facebook is responsible unless they loudly and publicly order their vendors to treat their employees better.

Seenso commented on Chelsea Manning ordered to be released [pdf]   courtlistener.com/recap/g... · Posted by u/pera
Seenso · 6 years ago
> Scumbag judges should be thrown off for this.

> Completely bullshit. They held her in prison for a year with no charges and now they want her to pay a quarter million in fines? Fuck off.

It's not bullshit. Manning was basically obstructing justice by disobeying a court order. If sanctions like this didn't exist, people wouldn't have any incentive follow court orders at all, and the court system would become ineffective and break down.

Also, I'm not sure if the concept of "charges" is even relevant here. Aren't those leveled by a prosecutor? In contempt cases the judge is directly punishing noncompliance with court proceedings.

Seenso commented on Nancy Pelosi Says House Will Pass Coronavirus Bill with Free Testing for All   newsweek.com/pelosi-says-... · Posted by u/smacktoward
m0zg · 6 years ago
We're already slowing down the spread. The country is pretty much shut down. And you aren't going to be able to test ~60 _million_ people who will ultimately be infected with this (using 2009 H1N1 estimates). This is not an excuse to the utter CDC/FDA incompetence/sabotage we're witnessing, it's just a statement of fact. We're in the uncharted waters with this, countermeasures of even the _current_ magnitude have never been applied before.
Seenso · 6 years ago
> The country is pretty much shut down.

No, it isn't yet. I'm in the office right now, with thousands of my colleagues.

> And you aren't going to be able to test ~60 _million_ people who will ultimately be infected with this

Maybe not, but you don't want to discourage people from getting tested now. Getting a positive test is an important cue to take extra stringent isolation measures.

Aggressive testing helps reduce the need for stringent, general measures like lockdowns:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-respon...

Seenso commented on Nancy Pelosi Says House Will Pass Coronavirus Bill with Free Testing for All   newsweek.com/pelosi-says-... · Posted by u/smacktoward
m0zg · 6 years ago
There's no cure. Bodies will pile up regardless.
Seenso · 6 years ago
> There's no cure. Bodies will pile up regardless.

There's not cure, but there is treatment. Many deaths will be avoidable if we can slow down the spread, to spread out the load to avoid overwhelming the medical system too much.

Seenso commented on Nancy Pelosi Says House Will Pass Coronavirus Bill with Free Testing for All   newsweek.com/pelosi-says-... · Posted by u/smacktoward
Iwan-Zotow · 6 years ago
More treasuries to sell, more debt to pile up...
Seenso · 6 years ago
> more debt to pile up...

So, lets pile up bodies instead?

Seenso commented on Nancy Pelosi Says House Will Pass Coronavirus Bill with Free Testing for All   newsweek.com/pelosi-says-... · Posted by u/smacktoward
dionian · 6 years ago
Was it the people saying to remove all the extras, or the people who put the extras in?
Seenso · 6 years ago
> Was it the people saying to remove all the extras, or the people who put the extras in?

What extras?

Seenso commented on Nancy Pelosi Says House Will Pass Coronavirus Bill with Free Testing for All   newsweek.com/pelosi-says-... · Posted by u/smacktoward
Trisell · 6 years ago
There is a lot of FUD currently going on. This podcast by Joe Rogan is great. Listen to an expert and then make your decisions.

Here is the bio of the guy he interviews. Since Joe Rogan isn’t a “reliable” source.

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/michael-osterholm

Seenso · 6 years ago
> There is a lot of FUD currently going on. This podcast by Joe Rogan is great. Listen to an expert and then make your decisions.

Joe Rogan podcasts are approximately forty hours long, on average. You need to summarize it, with text.

Seenso commented on Nancy Pelosi Says House Will Pass Coronavirus Bill with Free Testing for All   newsweek.com/pelosi-says-... · Posted by u/smacktoward
amhokies · 6 years ago
The reason this stuff is acceptable is we just shrug it off as "normal politics". Politicians should not take advantage of emergencies by tacking wish list items on to bills that address the emergency.
Seenso · 6 years ago
> Politicians should not take advantage of emergencies by tacking wish list items on to bills that address the emergency.

What exactly are the unrelated wish list items here? Everything I'm seeing here looks on point and directly relevant to this crisis.

Workers need rights to sick time right now, or the virus will spread even more quickly and this will be worse. People are going to be losing jobs or hours because of this, and if they don't have extra cash they're going to need food assistance. Medicaid is about to get hit hard, just like every health insurance program. The elderly and disabled people are vulnerable groups, and are going to need greater levels of assistance during the coming disruptions.

u/Seenso

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