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SR2Z commented on Jury told that Meta, Google 'engineered addiction' at landmark US trial   techxplore.com/news/2026-... · Posted by u/geox
anonymars · 8 hours ago
Um, off the top of my head:

"You'll be happier if you purchase this thing"

"You're not good enough as you are now, but you will be if you purchase this thing"

"Other people you admire or respect have purchased this thing, and if you do too you'll be more like them"

"Other people will like you more if you purchase this thing"

"You'll be more attractive if you purchase this thing"

"This thing will be worth more in the future so if you purchase this thing it will make you money"

"This is your only chance to purchase this thing, so if you don't it now you'll miss out on this price"

I don't think any of them has to do with how awesome "the thing" itself is. Obviously there's more to, say, an expensive watch, than its ability to tell time

SR2Z · an hour ago
If anonymous billboards or banner ads can convince you you aren't good enough, your life is probably not great with or without ads.

If an ad convinces you to, say, get a gym membership or go on Ozempic, who's to say what happens next? Maybe you do start feeling better about yourself.

SR2Z commented on Jury told that Meta, Google 'engineered addiction' at landmark US trial   techxplore.com/news/2026-... · Posted by u/geox
autoexec · 5 hours ago
I haven't seen the plant ad, but it sounds like once you start learning about how the ad industry works your mind will be blown. Insane amounts of money have been poured into research by the industry (including some highly questionable research being done on children and infants) and some of the results are fascinating.

The manipulation goes beyond even the content of the ads themselves. For example, one of the reasons companies are spending so much money collecting/buying/storing/securing every scrap of data they can get about you and your life is so that they can target ads at you at specific times when they know you'll be more vulnerable such as times when they know you'd normally be tired, or when they think your medication may be wearing off, or during periods where you're under high stress, or when you might be entering a manic phase, or when you're intoxicated, etc.

Like I said, understanding the many many ways that you are vulnerable to their tricks can help but it won't stop them from working on you. It's kind of like how you can't not see certain optical illusions even though you know you're interpreting them incorrectly. The conclusion I've come to is that it's best to do everything you can to avoid exposure to advertising where possible and to keep an eye out for when those tricks are being used against you elsewhere.

SR2Z · an hour ago
So a company should not be able to recommend therapy ads if I seem stressed? Ozempic if I seem like I want to lose weight? Laxatives if I seem constipated, or energy drinks if I'm sleep deprived?

Trying to moralize ad targeting is exhausting. It's not inherently a bad thing to target an ad to someone who's in a bad spot, or really in general.

People who buy the product are presumably competent enough to manage their own finances. Acting like they're being exploited constantly because ads hinted that they weren't masculine enough, or too fat, or being their peers, etc. is ridiculous. Ads aren't like cigarettes.

SR2Z commented on Jury told that Meta, Google 'engineered addiction' at landmark US trial   techxplore.com/news/2026-... · Posted by u/geox
somenameforme · 8 hours ago
Most of everybody thinks their behaviors and decisions are not meaningfully influenced by advertising. Companies spend literally trillions of dollars running ads. One side is right, one side is wrong.

And advertising largely relies on this ignorance of its effects, or otherwise most of everybody would go to much greater lengths to limit their exposures to such, and governments would be more inclined to regulate the ad industry as a goal in and of itself.

SR2Z · 2 hours ago
No, this take is crazy. If ads were able to brainwash people Coca-Cola would still be the most popular drink in America.

The problem with "meaningfully influenced" is that a 1% bump in sales is massive for a company, but normally only represents a very minor shift in customer behavior.

US spending on advertising is, in total, about $1200/person-year. If you believe that advertisers are rapacious capitalists who will take as much as they possibly can, then they only believe that they can capture about that much extra per person by advertising to them.

That's not nothing, but it's not very much either. Ads are extremely overblown as a threat to society; you only need to look as far as eye-tracking studies of web browsers and the prevalence of ad blockers to see pretty good proof that people do just ignore them most of the time.

SR2Z commented on Jury told that Meta, Google 'engineered addiction' at landmark US trial   techxplore.com/news/2026-... · Posted by u/geox
RRWagner · 8 hours ago
Here is an important difference. A century ago, the predator (seller) and the prey (buyer) were on equal evolutionary terms. Each generation of humans on either side of the transaction came into the world, learned to convince, learned to resist, then passed, and some balance was maintained. In this century, corporations and algorithms don't die, but the targets do. This means that the non-human seller is continuously, even immortally, learning, adapting and perfecting how to manipulate. The target, be it adult, adolescent, or child, is, and will be ever increasingly, at a severe disadvantage.
SR2Z · 8 hours ago
Right, because we know that parents never pass down useful skills or life tips to their children, like skepticism of propaganda and advertising, and instead send their children into the world like sheep into a lion's den.

There might come a day when advertising is too flawless for a human mind to resist it, but we're not there yet.

SR2Z commented on MIT Living Wage Calculator   livingwage.mit.edu/... · Posted by u/bear_with_me
raw_anon_1111 · a day ago
Please don’t say you actually believe the talking point that if it weren’t for regulation factory jobs would come back or do you believe on the high end that tech companies are laying people off because of regulation?
SR2Z · 17 hours ago
He's saying that a world where someone can't get hired for a $15 an hour job would be better if they could still work an $8 job instead of being unable to find work at all or being pushed into multiple part-time roles.
SR2Z commented on MIT Living Wage Calculator   livingwage.mit.edu/... · Posted by u/bear_with_me
nearbuy · a day ago
> Because if they don't, they are externalising the true costs of labour to the government, or the community.

Does this mean anything or is it a circular definition?

If we decide we'd like people to have at least the standard of living of a single person earning $40/hour, does that make $40/hour the "true cost of labor"? Could we just as easily raise our standards and say $50/hour is the true cost?

The living wage is higher than what you would often have with no government intervention or safety net, so it's not a natural cost of labor in that sense.

SR2Z · 17 hours ago
No. Prices are not arbitrary; they're determined by market forces. I don't really agree with the idea that the minimum wage should be intended to support an adult (I think our welfare systems should be reformed to eliminate cliffs), but if you set it to the average price of a bunch of stuff in a region it's gonna be an actual number.

You can change the set of stuff, but it's much harder to cheat if you actually have to say what a living wage should be spent on.

SR2Z commented on Americans want heat pumps – but high electricity prices may get in the way   theconversation.com/ameri... · Posted by u/PaulHoule
ZeroGravitas · 2 days ago
It's a third or fourth of the price in Australia with equivalent labor costs.

It's mostly unnecessary red tape and a broken market that cause the differences.

SR2Z · a day ago
Australian labor costs are significantly lower than the US, as are labor costs in most countries. Americans are paid pretty well.
SR2Z commented on Americans want heat pumps – but high electricity prices may get in the way   theconversation.com/ameri... · Posted by u/PaulHoule
plantain · 2 days ago
That cost makes absolutely no sense. It takes one single day for a couple of people to install solar and batteries on a residential house.
SR2Z · 2 days ago
Baumol's Cost Disease at work, I guess.
SR2Z commented on Vouch   github.com/mitchellh/vouc... · Posted by u/chwtutha
satvikpendem · 2 days ago
But it could just be made a stablecoin.
SR2Z · 2 days ago
It's a huge shame that crypto has been so poorly-behaved as an industry that almost nobody is willing to touch it except for speculation. It could be useful but it's scared away most of the honest people.
SR2Z commented on Why E cores make Apple silicon fast   eclecticlight.co/2026/02/... · Posted by u/ingve
philistine · 2 days ago
> Apple's M-series chips are fantastic, but I do agree with you that it's mostly a combination of newer process and lots of cache.

Why does it matter how they achieved their thunderous performance? Why must it be diminished to just a boatload of cache? Does it matter from which implementation detail you got the best single-core performance in the world? If it's just way more cache, why isn't Intel just cranking up the cache?

SR2Z · 2 days ago
Intel IS cranking up the cache. Unfortunately, Intel chose to allocate significant resources to improving their fabs instead of immediately going to TSMC and pumping out a competitive chip, and in the years where they were misspending their resources, their competitors were gobbling up market share. Their new stuff that's competitive with Apple is all built by TSMC.

It's worth noting that Intel is not a stranger to building CPUs with lots of cache - they just segmented it into their server chips and not their consumer ones.

It matters because it is useful to understand why a given chip is faster or slower than its competitors. Apple didn't achieve this with their architecture/ISA or with some snazzy new hardware (with some notable exceptions like their x86 memory emulator), they did it by noticing how important cache was becoming to consumer workloads.

u/SR2Z

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