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OrangeMonkey commented on Facebook and Twitter have portals for the government to request takedowns   twitter.com/lhfang/status... · Posted by u/whoooooo123
2OEH8eoCRo0 · 3 years ago
> we need proper safety measurments to ensure this isn’t abused

The courts. They can be sued if they abuse it.

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
It seems like you are suggesting the government can restrain speech and then, if the people disagree that the government, that they then can sue the government to allow it.

I don't want to live in the world you suggest.

This right here is why I am glad we have a constitution in the US and resist efforts to make it easier to change.

OrangeMonkey commented on Leaked documents outline DHS’s plans to police disinformation   theintercept.com/2022/10/... · Posted by u/amadeuspagel
ryandrake · 3 years ago
"More speech" works when the number of voices is limited to an actual number of people. The truth would eventually/inevitably drown out the conspiracies and disinformation. Now, with bots and social media's algorithmic amplification, the "amount of speech" a single person can contribute is unbounded, and bad actors are weaponizing the unlimited nature of speech to drown out the truth.

"More speech" is too simplistic to work in the modern world.

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
In general, when someone suggests the only solution to "too much free speech" is for people to be filtered, I say "You first."
OrangeMonkey commented on Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far   techcrunch.com/2022/10/28... · Posted by u/jiwidi
neves · 3 years ago
But we can see Twitter being supported by extreme right foundations.

I'm from Brazil and the extreme right is abusing all the communication platforms. it's a complete madness in what people believe right now. Our society is on the verge of crumbling.

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
Twitter hasn't been burdened by "extreme right" "abusing all communication platforms."

If it was, then we would have seen a left exodus years ago and not suddenly coming up now. This comment has me so confused.

OrangeMonkey commented on Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left   cnbc.com/2022/10/27/elon-... · Posted by u/cbracketdash
harimau777 · 3 years ago
No, I said that democracy only works if there is some way of enforcing that the participants actually follow democratic norms; i.e. respecting diverging viewpoints.

One mechanism of accomplishing that would be to restrict people who are using communication platforms to violate democratic norms.

I'm not advocating that is the best way to accomplish protecting democracy. I'm just pointing out that "free speech maximalism" doesn't address the need to protect democracy.

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
I think we can agree to disagree.

People can respect you as a person, but no I don't think people have to respect different viewpoints. I can respect that you have a lived experience that differs from mine and that your viewpoint is X, but I do balance that against my own views and speak my own truth as well.

If you think that you have to respect every viewpoint that differs, think of the viewpoints of the party you dislike. Think of any of their views. Do you respect their _view_ or do you respect the person and want to allow their speech while disagreeing with it?

Me? I think the best way to deal with speech I don't like is not filtering or censorship its more speech. Anytime I see an implication that someones view needs to be filtered I think "You first."

OrangeMonkey commented on Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left   cnbc.com/2022/10/27/elon-... · Posted by u/cbracketdash
harimau777 · 3 years ago
It seems to me that democracy relies on there being a degree of respect/safety for diverging viewpoints. Therefore, for democracy to work there has to be some restriction on behavior that doesn't follow those norms. That could be in the form of educational enculturation into those norms, social consequences for breaking them, or censorship.
OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
I'm sorry but did you just say that democracy only works if we have censorship?
OrangeMonkey commented on Elon Musk Owns Twitter; CEO and CFO have left   cnbc.com/2022/10/27/elon-... · Posted by u/cbracketdash
jerojero · 3 years ago
This whole thing has been rather interesting to observe. I do wonder how the platform will change now that it's privately owned. I don't really care a lot about the platform itself, but it's influence on politics is very real.

Personally I don't think this acquisition is healthy for a democracy, but nonetheless, it's something I want to observe. I've always thought these platforms need more democratic structures of governance and this is a change in the opposite direction so I'm rather interested in what the future holds and the consequences of this buyout!

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
> Personally I don't think this acquisition is healthy for a democracy,

Only a fascist would force free speech onto people.

OrangeMonkey commented on NY Supreme Court reinstates NYC's fired unvaccinated employees, orders backpay   iapps.courts.state.ny.us/... · Posted by u/bananapear
aaomidi · 3 years ago
Back pay? Seriously? I thought people weren’t happy about executive power through judicial means, but I’m seeing that same group of people celebrate this.

Also note: the NY Supreme Court is actually the lowest court level in NY. Articles like this are being misleading on purpose.

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
Courts exist to make people whole.

The court decided the executive branch didn't have the right to fire the workers. Because of that, the workers lost their jobs, insurance, and pay.

How else would you suggest the court make them whole again?

OrangeMonkey commented on Don’t let the great ESG self-deception infect climate tech investing   maddyness.com/uk/2022/10/... · Posted by u/doener
ZeroGravitas · 3 years ago
> Germany lost its pipeline to Russia where it was sourcing its natural gas because they did not want to produce it locally.

I think you skipped over a few steps here and lost me.

Germany, which doesn't have much gas, "lost" a pipeline due to ESG investment metrics? Or only built a pipeline that it then "lost" due to ESG?

Either way, that's not something I recall happening.

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
Don't be purposefully obtuse - its not helpful to anyone and just makes you look like a troll.

Germany did not want to produce oil/gas locally due to concerns about environmental impact. Instead, they decided to import it from Russia. With the Russia pipeline destroyed, they are now competing for these same 'dirty resources' on the global scale resulting in widespread suffering in the developing world.

If you are going to imply that you didn't understand this as the meaning of the statement, I think its pretty telling.

OrangeMonkey commented on Don’t let the great ESG self-deception infect climate tech investing   maddyness.com/uk/2022/10/... · Posted by u/doener
UncleMeat · 3 years ago
It is interesting to see this opinion so high up when it is abstracted, but as soon as you drop down to specifics in something like tech you get mountains of complaints about Google abandoning "don't be evil" or ad-tech companies in general being cancerous companies that harm society. If it were really all about the bottom line then these companies would be among the very best companies in the world. They make a shit load of money!
OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
You seem to have become mistaken - I am talking about a companies fiduciary duty to shareholder and maximizing long term shareholder value. You are talking about popular sentiment.
OrangeMonkey commented on Don’t let the great ESG self-deception infect climate tech investing   maddyness.com/uk/2022/10/... · Posted by u/doener
ZeroGravitas · 3 years ago
So, the bad effect of ESG is less investment in oil and gas?

Do you have examples of how ESG is bad for someone who thinks thats a good thing?

OrangeMonkey · 3 years ago
... The 2022/2023 winter in Europe and the balkans should help solidify that in your mind. Germany lost its pipeline to Russia where it was sourcing its natural gas because they did not want to produce it locally. This directly caused them to start competing on the international scene for its gas.

Where do you think this 'surplus' of gas is coming from? Its not 'spare capacity' that was sitting around... its coming from poorer countries that can't compete for the same gas due to the price Germany is now willing to pay.

Consider Bangladesh and the political unrest because of the rising fuel prices. [1]. For gods sake, they had a nationwide power blackout that lasted 7 hours. Why? Because the gas supplies were being usurped by Europe. [2].

> Now with Russia-Ukraine war squeezing supply, the richer European nations are getting dibs on whatever is up for grabs. With winter and a cap on Russian fuel imports approaching, European buyers will look to stock up on even more LNG.

Maybe we disagree - but I would say that widespread starvation and energy blackouts impacting the populations of developing countries directly related to ESG policies is pretty damn bad. The road to hell is paved with good intentions - look down.

[1] - https://www.voanews.com/a/inflation-unrest-challenge-banglad...

[2] - https://qz.com/power-hungry-europe-is-leaving-developing-cou...

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