White House statement expressing support for the bill:
- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
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Readit NewsO__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
Yes, Microsoft should be broken up. It's scary how they have their tentacles everywhere. Both Consumer and Business focused. OS, PCs, Browser, search engine, Ad network, professional social network, news outlet, cloud infra, cloud tools, dev tools, games, gaming platform, gaming hardware, server OS and DB, office tools locally installed, office tools in cloud, cloud storage, CRM, ERP, personal video calls and messenger, video conferencing tools and business messenger, owns github, owns npm, owns 50% of OpenAI. I have probably forgotten a few.
Imagine all the cross selling and tricks they can pull off having all this inhouse.
>> [Microsoft] owns 50% of OpenAI
Microsoft will reportedly get a 75% share of OpenAI's profits until it makes back the money on its investment, after which the company would assume a 49% stake in OpenAI.
O__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
> There’s no need to be so combative.
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
I didn't argue against their position.
From HN’s guidelines:
When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."
Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
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O__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
I didn't say race. I said culture.
Eg. Explain Europe wide riots of Marocco football match ( fact) to me without sounding like a racist.
>> Eg. Explain Europe wide riots of Marocco football match ( fact) to me without sounding like a racist.
Riots are response to systemic racism:
https://dw.com/en/world-cup-why-do-morocco-fans-keep-clashin...
As are the issues Americans are facing.
O__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
> Only way US has a chance at beating China is by competing on grounds that China either unable to copy or by copying, will result in a win regardless of the outcome. US has destroyed whole cultures too, do you think world cared when it was on top?
The difference is that China is doing these things today. Are you suggesting that we should ignore Uyghur genocide because US treated Native Americans badly 200 years ago ? Do you seriously think that China is competing fairly with US? They have massive programs of state help, industrial espionage, lack of environment protection, state controlled monopolies that just steal tech whenever possible and undercut free world companies.
>> The difference is that China is doing these things today. Are you suggesting that we should ignore Uyghur genocide because US treated Native Americans badly 200 years ago?
Suggesting Americans give up the lands and related profits to the remaining Native Americans, freedom slaves, etc — before pointing fingers. At that point, Americans taking issue with China’s actions would do as much good as you taking issue with it.
>> Do you seriously think that China is competing fairly with US? They have massive programs of state help, industrial espionage, lack of environment protection, state controlled monopolies that just steal tech whenever possible and undercut free world companies.
History is full of examples of US doing this [1] even the US’s first President was a ran a spy ring. Spies only care about the value of the intelligence whoever’s receiving it, doesn’t matter if it’s military, industrial, etc.
[1] https://www.history.com/.amp/news/industrial-revolution-spie...
O__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
> Are you sure? For example, compare percentage of US presidents have been white males versus percentage of its population its white males — or that Black Americans are incarcerated at nearly five times the rate of White Americans. It has been common practice in the United States to make felons ineligible to vote, in some cases permanently.
It is common to destroy whole nations in China (uyghurs, tibetan). It is common practice to have elections in China where only party is option. Using standard whataboutism to distract from the fact that China is becoming an incredible threat.
> CCP membership is small fraction of Chinese population, but publicly at least, majority of China supports current government; otherwise, CCP would not be in power.
That would be the case if China was democratic. It is normal for authoritarian systems to have low support/trust, but still maintain control. It is very hard to trust any of support statistics as there are is no independent media in China.
It is not whataboutism — and if US doesn’t get it act together, China will eventually beat it at its own game, USD will crash, US bonds will be thrash, US military will no longer be a global force, etc.
Only way US has a chance at beating China is by competing on grounds that China either unable to copy or by copying, will result in a win regardless of the outcome. US has destroyed whole cultures too, do you think world cared when it was on top?
Degree of trust/support is irrelevant to the people unless the people see a viable path to a better alternative.
O__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
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You forgot Xi publicly escorted someone out to show his dominance?
Ps. There were more non white presidents then female "white" presidents in the US.
Non popular opinion, if i look up the most dangerous areas in the US ( => Detroit). It is a mostly non-white area. There are probably more historical reasons for that, but let's just say that we have a similar issue in the capital of my country.
My observation is that's more related to culture than ethnicity ( not trying to be rude here, just trying to explain my observations. My observations are not facts, feel free to give counter arguments).
Agree, gender equality is clearly an issue too.
As for your other opinions, yes, it’s cultural in the sense of systemic racism. Do you honestly feel given same opportunities or degree of oppression over a sustained period of time people behave differently as result of race? That’s nonsense.
O__________O commented on Alibaba to split into six separate groups wsj.com/articles/alibaba-... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
Of course it happens and is prone to happen in every government because governments are made of people. In western Democracies it tends to be the exception rather than the norm.
Are you sure? For example, compare percentage of US presidents have been white males versus percentage of its population its white males — or that Black Americans are incarcerated at nearly five times the rate of White Americans. It has been common practice in the United States to make felons ineligible to vote, in some cases permanently.
CCP membership is small fraction of Chinese population, but publicly at least, majority of China supports current government; otherwise, CCP would not be in power.
Source:
- https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Splinternet