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You can copy the PR's diffs and apply it on Wine 11.0, it is not like it doesn't work or that OP patched functions that are only available in Proton.
Seeing that people actually got it to work gets me intrigued, sadly they didn't say if they actually used an official Creative Cloud license, or if they downloaded it from the web from third party sources. Because, as I said before, the installers that OP used are not the installers you normally get from Adobe. So, if you know where OP got the installers, please share. :)
Now, it could be that Proton somehow has something else that fixes the installers, or that there is a regression between Wine 10.0 and Wine 11.0 that breaks the creator's patch. But like I said in my own posts that I linked, I can't find the exact installers that OP is using. The only time I've seen similar installers was when I was downloading pirated Photoshop copies to test it out on Wine.
I won't rule out that maybe there's a regression somewhere, I've already reported regression in Wine before (some of them were even fixed, yay!): https://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?email1=winehq%40mrpowerg...
> Even worse, other people are finding it easier to get creative cloud to run on older wine versions [1], meaning that there are regressions in Wine that aren't being spotted.
I don't think it is a regression. Hear me out:
The user was installing Photoshop CC 2023 with a installer similar to OP's installer, so I suppose that the installer also installs an older Creative Cloud version.
Maybe that Creative Cloud version does not require the stubbed function, nor does it require WebView2.
To get the RECENT, downloaded right off Adobe's website Creative Cloud installer, you will need to install WebView2 on your Wine prefix and set "msedgewebview2.exe" to Windows 7 mode. This makes the Creative Cloud work up until it tries to start it, which makes it use the stubbed function.
To workaround that, you can set Creative Cloud to Windows 7 mode, because that forces a different code path in the app which does not use the stubbed function (SetThreadpoolTimerEx was only added in Windows 8). However, this makes all apps show that it is "incompatible on your system", so you can't actually install anything from it.
My own patch DOES fix Creative Cloud in Windows 10 mode, so you are able to install Photoshop directly from Wine.
However, the patch (nor OP nor my own patch) fixes Photoshop's activation. And let's not rule out that maybe it IS actually a regression.
> Worse yet, people aren't pirating Photoshop, they copy the files of a working activated Photoshop installation from Windows so they can run it under Wine [2].
I'm not sure why you think that linking MattKC's post is a "gotcha", when I explicitly linked that post on my Reddit post AND MattKC's post also says that you need to bypass activation with GenP. So you aren't activating the application in Wine, you are bypassing the activation altogether.
But maybe you didn't notice that because I've only noticed now that my markdown was broken, because I included "(archived link because MattKC's forum is down)" within the URL by mistake, so the link didn't actually work, whoops. I've fixed that now.
I never said that Photoshop doesn't work in Wine. I said that it does work as long as you bypass activation with external tools. If you are using a legitimate copy from a Windows machine, or if you installed it via CC on Wine, or if it is a pirated copy, it doesn't matter, you WILL need to bypass the activation somehow. Which is the point I made in my post.
> The guy who claimed to have fixed creative commons has posted an update
That update was made after my post, and the installers on the creator's post are STILL not the same installers that you can get downloading from Adobe.
Unless I'm missing something and these installers can ACTUALLY be downloaded from Adobe, because I couldn't find them anywhere and the ones that I get from Adobe's website are the ones that I shared the screenshots of on my Reddit post.
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Now, if you want to prove me wrong, please go ahead and try the creator's patch and try installing the Creative Cloud app, downloaded directly from Adobe's website.
I really want to be proven wrong because it would be really cool if you could get the Creative Cloud app + Photoshop working in Wine without needing external activation tools.
You also aren't able to install Creative Cloud with that fork, the Creative Cloud installer gets stuck on a loading loop, so I needed to copy my Photoshop + Creative Cloud installation from my other Wine prefix.
This is not me throwing the PR's creator to the curb, it is impressive that they were able to fix the installers, even though they aren't the "main" installers, and I'm pretty sure that the PR creator could fix the activation screen too, because I think the issue is similar to the ones they are fixing, they probably just didn't do that yet because they don't know the activation screen is also borked.
You can copy the PR's diffs and apply it on Wine 11.0, it is not like it doesn't work or that OP patched functions that are only available in Proton.
Seeing that people actually got it to work gets me intrigued, sadly they didn't say if they actually used an official Creative Cloud license, or if they downloaded it from the web from third party sources. Because, as I said before, the installers that OP used are not the installers you normally get from Adobe. So, if you know where OP got the installers, please share. :)
Now, it could be that Proton somehow has something else that fixes the installers, or that there is a regression between Wine 10.0 and Wine 11.0 that breaks the creator's patch. But like I said in my own posts that I linked, I can't find the exact installers that OP is using. The only time I've seen similar installers was when I was downloading pirated Photoshop copies to test it out on Wine.
I won't rule out that maybe there's a regression somewhere, I've already reported regression in Wine before (some of them were even fixed, yay!): https://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?email1=winehq%40mrpowerg...
> Even worse, other people are finding it easier to get creative cloud to run on older wine versions [1], meaning that there are regressions in Wine that aren't being spotted.
I don't think it is a regression. Hear me out:
The user was installing Photoshop CC 2023 with a installer similar to OP's installer, so I suppose that the installer also installs an older Creative Cloud version.
Maybe that Creative Cloud version does not require the stubbed function, nor does it require WebView2.
To get the RECENT, downloaded right off Adobe's website Creative Cloud installer, you will need to install WebView2 on your Wine prefix and set "msedgewebview2.exe" to Windows 7 mode. This makes the Creative Cloud work up until it tries to start it, which makes it use the stubbed function.
To workaround that, you can set Creative Cloud to Windows 7 mode, because that forces a different code path in the app which does not use the stubbed function (SetThreadpoolTimerEx was only added in Windows 8). However, this makes all apps show that it is "incompatible on your system", so you can't actually install anything from it.
My own patch DOES fix Creative Cloud in Windows 10 mode, so you are able to install Photoshop directly from Wine.
However, the patch (nor OP nor my own patch) fixes Photoshop's activation. And let's not rule out that maybe it IS actually a regression.
> Worse yet, people aren't pirating Photoshop, they copy the files of a working activated Photoshop installation from Windows so they can run it under Wine [2].
I'm not sure why you think that linking MattKC's post is a "gotcha", when I explicitly linked that post on my Reddit post AND MattKC's post also says that you need to bypass activation with GenP. So you aren't activating the application in Wine, you are bypassing the activation altogether.
But maybe you didn't notice that because I've only noticed now that my markdown was broken, because I included "(archived link because MattKC's forum is down)" within the URL by mistake, so the link didn't actually work, whoops. I've fixed that now.
I never said that Photoshop doesn't work in Wine. I said that it does work as long as you bypass activation with external tools. If you are using a legitimate copy from a Windows machine, or if you installed it via CC on Wine, or if it is a pirated copy, it doesn't matter, you WILL need to bypass the activation somehow. Which is the point I made in my post.
> The guy who claimed to have fixed creative commons has posted an update
That update was made after my post, and the installers on the creator's post are STILL not the same installers that you can get downloading from Adobe.
Unless I'm missing something and these installers can ACTUALLY be downloaded from Adobe, because I couldn't find them anywhere and the ones that I get from Adobe's website are the ones that I shared the screenshots of on my Reddit post.
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Now, if you want to prove me wrong, please go ahead and try the creator's patch and try installing the Creative Cloud app, downloaded directly from Adobe's website.
I really want to be proven wrong because it would be really cool if you could get the Creative Cloud app + Photoshop working in Wine without needing external activation tools.
This is probably a skill issue on my part, so someone smarter than me could try getting it to work.
Because after using umu it sets up all of the override DLLs on my Wine prefix, I've tried running the Wine build directly, and I must say that the Photoshop GUI DOES render way better here, however the activation screen is still a empty white box (sometimes it does show "Loading..." in the box): https://i.imgur.com/Jxnga5W.png
But when doing this, the Creative Cloud app does not work anymore, it says that it needs to be repaired, but it fails to be repaired. https://i.imgur.com/jdQeU4t.png
This is very scuffed, maybe I should try Lutris and see what happens
Again, I really want to be proven wrong and it would be amazing if someone that ACTUALLY made it work with a PAID Creative Cloud license and used Photoshop CC 2021 WITHOUT bypassing its activation shows up and says "hey look, I got it to work and you are just stupid".
[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1qdgd73/i_mad...
Edit: Even worse, other people are finding it easier to get creative cloud to run on older wine versions [1], meaning that there are regressions in Wine that aren't being spotted.
[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1qg9wgz/creat...
Edit 2: Worse yet, people aren't pirating Photoshop, they copy the files of a working activated Photoshop installation from Windows so they can run it under Wine [2].
[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20251105052117/https://forum.mat...
Edit 3: The guy who claimed to have fixed creative commons has posted an update [3], [4].
[3] https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1qgybfy/updat... [4] https://github.com/PhialsBasement/wine-adobe-installers/comm...
Seems like all you did is misrepresent basically everyone involved?
You can copy the PR's diffs and apply it on Wine 11.0, it is not like it doesn't work or that OP patched functions that are only available in Proton.
Seeing that people actually got it to work gets me intrigued, sadly they didn't say if they actually used an official Creative Cloud license, or if they downloaded it from the web from third party sources. Because, as I said before, the installers that OP used are not the installers you normally get from Adobe. So, if you know where OP got the installers, please share. :)
Now, it could be that Proton somehow has something else that fixes the installers, or that there is a regression between Wine 10.0 and Wine 11.0 that breaks the creator's patch. But like I said in my own posts that I linked, I can't find the exact installers that OP is using. The only time I've seen similar installers was when I was downloading pirated Photoshop copies to test it out on Wine.
I won't rule out that maybe there's a regression somewhere, I've already reported regression in Wine before (some of them were even fixed, yay!): https://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?email1=winehq%40mrpowerg...
> Even worse, other people are finding it easier to get creative cloud to run on older wine versions [1], meaning that there are regressions in Wine that aren't being spotted.
I don't think it is a regression. Hear me out:
The user was installing Photoshop CC 2023 with a installer similar to OP's installer, so I suppose that the installer also installs an older Creative Cloud version.
Maybe that Creative Cloud version does not require the stubbed function, nor does it require WebView2.
To get the RECENT, downloaded right off Adobe's website Creative Cloud installer, you will need to install WebView2 on your Wine prefix and set "msedgewebview2.exe" to Windows 7 mode. This makes the Creative Cloud work up until it tries to start it, which makes it use the stubbed function.
To workaround that, you can set Creative Cloud to Windows 7 mode, because that forces a different code path in the app which does not use the stubbed function (SetThreadpoolTimerEx was only added in Windows 8). However, this makes all apps show that it is "incompatible on your system", so you can't actually install anything from it.
My own patch DOES fix Creative Cloud in Windows 10 mode, so you are able to install Photoshop directly from Wine.
However, the patch (nor OP nor my own patch) fixes Photoshop's activation. And let's not rule out that maybe it IS actually a regression.
> Worse yet, people aren't pirating Photoshop, they copy the files of a working activated Photoshop installation from Windows so they can run it under Wine [2].
I'm not sure why you think that linking MattKC's post is a "gotcha", when I explicitly linked that post on my Reddit post AND MattKC's post also says that you need to bypass activation with GenP. So you aren't activating the application in Wine, you are bypassing the activation altogether.
But maybe you didn't notice that because I've only noticed now that my markdown was broken, because I included "(archived link because MattKC's forum is down)" within the URL by mistake, so the link didn't actually work, whoops. I've fixed that now.
I never said that Photoshop doesn't work in Wine. I said that it does work as long as you bypass activation with external tools. If you are using a legitimate copy from a Windows machine, or if you installed it via CC on Wine, or if it is a pirated copy, it doesn't matter, you WILL need to bypass the activation somehow. Which is the point I made in my post.
> The guy who claimed to have fixed creative commons has posted an update
That update was made after my post, and the installers on the creator's post are STILL not the same installers that you can get downloading from Adobe.
Unless I'm missing something and these installers can ACTUALLY be downloaded from Adobe, because I couldn't find them anywhere and the ones that I get from Adobe's website are the ones that I shared the screenshots of on my Reddit post.
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Now, if you want to prove me wrong, please go ahead and try the creator's patch and try installing the Creative Cloud app, downloaded directly from Adobe's website.
I really want to be proven wrong because it would be really cool if you could get the Creative Cloud app + Photoshop working in Wine without needing external activation tools.
Some news outlets did report on it. However, in my experience after testing the patch applied on top of Wine 11.0, both the Creative Cloud and the Photoshop installer did not work.
I suppose that the thing that the patch fixes is the "offline" Photoshop installers, which are not provided anymore unless if you ask Adobe nicely... or if you get it from third party sources. The PR's creator did say that they didn't pay for Creative Cloud, so I think it is likely that this is what happened.
This made me wonder if anyone had actually tested the patches with a legit Creative Cloud/Photoshop installer, or if everyone just ran with the PR saying "look it works now!!!" but nobody bothered to actually test it. The creator did submit their own precompiled Wine version, however that version is meant to be run via Proton, so I wasn't able to make it work because I don't know how to run things via Proton outside of Steam.
I was able to get the Creative Cloud app in Wine (set to Windows 10 mode) by using some very dubious methods, as in, I asked Claude Code to implement the stub to see what would happen because if AI is sooo good as how people are saying, it should be able to fix things in Wine... right? And surprisingly, it did actually work.
However you aren't able to use Photoshop CC 2021 (the earliest Photoshop version you can install from Creative Cloud, newer versions crash during startup) because the activation popup does not render the input controls. The reason why I think it is trying to render something is because the activation popup background does have the same color as the Adobe website and, if my memory is correct, in Windows that popup is used to ask for your Adobe account credentials.
(Sadly the PR patch does not fix the activation screen)
Of course, if you bypass the activation using... alternatives means, Photoshop CC 2021 does work under Wine, which is why you can find a lot of "Photoshop CC 2021 in Wine!" repositories on GitHub.
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1qdgd73/i_mad...
The same is not at all true on Linux.
Right now at work, I’ve got a bunch of commercial apps built for RHEL9 for which I’m chasing vendors for new builds that work on RHEL10, for a variety of reasons. Dependencies like libXScrnSaver have simply been removed, and so apps linked against that library no longer work.
It is the rest of the iceberg that causes problems.
- You need your support to be able to support linux which means they will need training and experience helping people in an entirely new system
- Linux comes in finite but vastly more combinations than OSX and Windows which means you are probably going to need to pick something like Ubuntu or struggle with the above
- Gotta track bugs in twice as many places
- Need CI / CD for more platforms
etc
The combination issue is a real issue though that (as far as I know) is mostly solved with Flatpaks, or in case of games, by using the Steam Runtime.
Of course, it is a "chicken and egg" problem of "we don't want to support Linux because there aren't enough users using it" but "we don't want to use Linux because there aren't enough business supporting it".
Thankfully with improvements in Wine the need of having "native" Linux support is shrinking, but at the same time there is still a looooong way to go (like the issues I said before with Affinity).
And the guide itself seems to be outdated, the guide says that you need to install some stubs/shims but doesn't say that happens if you don't do it (I think that it would crash) but at least in my experience it did "work" without them when using an up-to-date Wine version.
Sadly Photoshop also doesn't work, if you want to follow the rules and use Creative Cloud it won't work at all, if you decide to sail the seven seas and download an older Photoshop version it will work but it also has some annoying bugs (sometimes the canvas doesn't update after an edit until you try to do another edit).
Don't get me wrong I do think that Wine is an amazing project and I hope that it continues to improve, but sometimes people don't seem to actually point all the issues that it exist when running an application in Wine.
