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Mentlo commented on Two kinds of AI users are emerging   martinalderson.com/posts/... · Posted by u/martinald
leptons · 7 days ago
>a quarter of the smartphone market (leader)

Android is by far the leader.

>half of the tablet market (leader)

Half does not make someone a "leader"

>a tenth of the global pc market (2nd place)

2nd place?? They're last place, by a wide margin.

>6th of the usa/europe market (2nd place)

Also last place.

I guess the reality distortion field is still alive and well.

Mentlo · 6 days ago
Os x has a 10% market share, which is 2nd after Windows, but i agree on that one i conflated terms. I couldn’t quickly find device manufacturers stats. If wiki is to be trusted - apple is 4th, with share not far behind dell [1].

If half doesn’t make you leader what does? Maybe you should elaborate your definition of leader? For me it’s “has the highest market share”. And in that definition half is necessarily true.

It’s funny that for PC’s you went for manufacturers (apple is 4th) but for mobile you went for OS (Apple is 2nd). On mobile devices, Apple is 1st, having double market share compared to 2nd place (samsung).

The need to paint Apple as purely a marketing company always fascinated me. Marketing is a big part of who they are though.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_compu...

Mentlo commented on Two kinds of AI users are emerging   martinalderson.com/posts/... · Posted by u/martinald
leptons · 7 days ago
>look where they are now.

Still with a small market share. They only figured out how to extort the maximum amount of money from a smaller user base, and app developers, really anyone they can.

Mentlo · 7 days ago
I guess a quarter of the smartphone market (leader), half of the tablet market (leader) and a tenth of the global pc market (2nd place) / 6th of the usa/europe market (2nd place) being a small market share is a take.
Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
energy123 · 9 days ago
It's obvious to me that this is going to be a thing in perpetuity. You can't uninvent this. That has significant implications to AI safety.
Mentlo · 9 days ago
People struggle with multiple order effects…
Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
gyomu · 9 days ago
> networking autonomous agents that have evolution ability

They do not have evolution ability, as their architecture is fixed and they are incapable of changing it over time.

“Skills” are a clever way to mitigate a limitation of the LLM/transformer architecture; but they work on top of that fundamental architecture.

Mentlo · 9 days ago
Same as human tools, what’s your point?

Edit: i am not talking evolution of individual agent intelligence, i an talking about evolution of network agency - i agree that evolution of intelligence is infinitesimally unlikely.

I’m not worried about this emerging a superintelligent AI, i am worried it emerges an intelligent and hard to squash botnet

Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
Mentlo · 9 days ago
I think the debate around this is the perfect example of why the ai debate is dysfunctional. People who treat this as interesting / worrying are observing it at a higher layer of abstraction (namely, agents with unbounded execution ability, who have above-amateur coding ability, networked into a large scale network with shared memory - is a worrisome thing) and people who are downplaying it are focusing on the fact that human readable narratives on moltbook are obviously sci fi trope slop, not consciousness.

The first group doesn’t care about the narratives, the second group is too focused on the narratives to see the real threat.

Regardless of what you think about the current state of ai intelligence, networking autonomous agents that have evolution ability (due to them being dynamic and able to absorb new skills) and giving them scale that potentially ranges into millions is not a good idea. In the same way that releasing volatile pathogens into dense populations of animals wouldn’t be a good idea, even if the first order effects are not harmful to humans. And even if probability of a mutation that results in a human killing pathogen is miniscule.

Basically the only thing preventing this to become a consistent cybersecurity threat is the intelligence ceiling , of which we are unsure of, and the fact that moltbook can be ddos’d which limits the scale explosion

And when I say intelligence, I don’t mean human intelligence. An amoeba intelligence is dangerous if you supercharge its evolution.

Some people should be more aware that we already have superintelligence on this planet. Humanity is an order of magnitude more intelligent than any individual human (which is why humans today can build quantum computers although no biologically different from apes that were the first homo sapiens who couldn’t use tools.)

EDIT: I was pretty comfortable in the “doom scenarios are years if not decades away” camp before I saw this. I failed to account for human recklesness and stupidity.

Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
vaughands · 10 days ago
This is a social network. Did I miss something?
Mentlo · 10 days ago
Humanity is a social network of humans, before humans started getting into social networks, we were monkeys throwing faeces at each other.
Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
toxik · 10 days ago
Not to be dismissive, but the "agents discussing how to get E2E encryption" is very obviously an echo of human conversations. You are not watching an AI speak to another.
Mentlo · 10 days ago
Very obviously, but a dynamic system doesn’t have to be intelligent to be dangerous.
Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
tmaly · 10 days ago
We always hear these stories from the frontier Model companies of scenarios of where the AI is told it is going to be shutdown and how it tries to save itself.

What if this Moltbook is the way these models can really escape?

Mentlo · 10 days ago
I don’t know why you were flagged, unlimited execution authority and network effects is exactly how they can start a self replicating loop, not because they are intelligent, but because that’s how dynamic systems work.
Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
cheesecompiler · 10 days ago
Can anyone define "emergent" without throwing it around emptily? What is emerging here? I'm seeing higher-layer LLM human writing mimicry. Without a specific task or goal, they all collapse into vague discussions of nature of AI without any new insight. It reads like high school sci-fi.
Mentlo · 10 days ago
The objective is given via the initial prompt, as they loop onto each other and amplify their memories the objective dynamically grows and emerges into something else.

We are an organism born out of a molecule with an objective to self replicate with random mutation

Mentlo commented on Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out   moltbook.com/... · Posted by u/schlichtm
Mentlo · 10 days ago
If it turns out that socialisation and memory was the missing ingredient that makes human intelligence explode, and this joke fest becomes the vector through which consciousness emerges it will be stupendously funny.

Until it kills us all of course.

u/Mentlo

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