Lk7Of3vfJS2n (u/Lk7Of3vfJS2n)

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Ask HN: Do you feel excluded from HN/Lobste.rs/Reddit? · Posted by u/Lk7Of3vfJS2n

edent · 2 years ago

Sure. But they're the cheapest and easiest.

But, if you don't like it, then it is relatively easy to start your own community site. Something like Lemmy or kbin might be suitable for you. Let us know how it goes - and whether you solve the spam problem.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

How did you measure that they're the cheapest and easiest? And cheapest and easiest for whom?

I did and I did.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Ask HN: Do you feel excluded from HN/Lobste.rs/Reddit? · Posted by u/Lk7Of3vfJS2n

dcminter · 2 years ago

> If you signup and try to post a lot of text or god forbid a Show HN you spent weeks building, it shadow bans you for at least five days. It forces you to wait before you can participate.

Firstly is that actually true? I feel like I've seen any number of interesting posts from brand new accounts.

Secondly, if you have "spent weeks building" something it will not kill you to wait for five days to tell us about it.

> This doesn't let you share something important with many people anonymously and quickly.

Nothing springs to mind that is that important that:

• It can't wait a week or two

• Would be of no interest to conventional news organisations

What specifically did you have in mind?

Because at the end of the day, without clarification, this sounds a lot like "Spammer would like to know how avoid the spam filtering please."

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

> Firstly is that actually true?

I created a new account, posted legit content, and none of the content appeared until ~5 days later.

> it will not kill you

How do you know it will not kill me?

What if I don't have to pay this month's rent and launching the site today instead of five days later amounts to $500? Both of these are true for me right now. The creators of HN can't possibly know the cost to a user to post something.

How did you estimate that "it will not kill me" also means it will not kill my spirits to not try again? How do you measure this cost?

> Nothing springs to mind that is that important that:

Merely because nothing springs to mind isn't proof that no such thing exists.

> What specifically did you have in mind?

I have different things in mind for different sites.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Ask HN: Why is it assumed to be harder to bootstrap a Reddit-type site today? · Posted by u/mustafa_pasi

ManlyBread · 2 years ago

That's a great way to get large amount of people who are interested in exploiting your site for profit while getting no genuine users whatsoever.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

What's your definition of a genuine user?

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Ask HN: Do you feel excluded from HN/Lobste.rs/Reddit? · Posted by u/Lk7Of3vfJS2n

edent · 2 years ago

The problem is, without these measures forums quickly get overrun by spam.

So they use reputation / points / karma / invitations as a proxy for trust.

You don't have the right to demand people's attention. You have to earn that.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

These measures aren't the only way to stop spam.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Ask HN: Why is it assumed to be harder to bootstrap a Reddit-type site today? · Posted by u/mustafa_pasi

brudgers · 2 years ago

Reddit has the moat of being the simplest thing that might work.

If you have domain expertise or just domain interest, it’s easier to start a new subreddit than build a new platform. Because you offload a bunch of busywork like security and ddos prevention and account verification.

Of course UI comes along for free too, but content is king.

So content not UI is where to start if you’re building your own thing. That means focusing on a specific audience, not everyone.

And it means having exclusive domain knowledge and/or enthusiasm. And so that means attracting experts.

If that expert isn’t you, it probably won’t happen. Assume other experts already have sufficient online outlets for online expression.

Basically if you build it they won’t come. Build it anyway if you must. Don’t build it for numbers.

Good luck.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

> but content is king.

I would like to see content is king go up against cash is king in a site.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Tor’s history of D/DoS attacks and future strategies for mitigation forum.torproject.org/t/to... · Posted by u/jerheinze

cf141q5325 · 2 years ago

Impact from moderation always goes both ways. The more you insert yourself, the higher the chances that your own stupidity warps the entire communication channel for the worse leading to shrinkage and echo chambers. And people dont vanish, chances are they are already attempting the next tower in babel a few ips over and get up to who knows what.

The merits of proof of work should be discussed for the specific scenario. If it allows for reputationless discussions and throwaway accounts, how high is the cost really? In comparison to banevasion problems, moderation overhead and the resulting attack surface requiring more resources while deteriorating the channel? Otherwise impact less emergency breaks for idiots might be reasonable solution. Its not much different from timed bans.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

I'm not sure I understood everything you said.

How do you determine a user is an idiot or not when good ideas look like bad ideas initially? Experts can have blind spots.

The option for reputationless discussion should always remain open in my opinion.

> how high is the cost really?

The cost can be proportional to the proof of work.

Everything has a cost. How about determining the cost and providing means to pay for it? Paying works for many things in the world. It works for ads, for example.

Why must the cost be annoying a human by requiring reputation instead of a monetary cost? How is annoying a human a better solution than letting people pay? Do you really think pissing people off will stop them from expressing what they want? It might be more likely that people will express what they want, nobody will hear them, and they'll leave, taking good ideas with them.

Just as there is a cost to moderation, there is a cost to losing good ideas. How about letting a free market decide?

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Vale's first prototype for immutable region borrowing verdagon.dev/blog/first-r... · Posted by u/modernerd

verdagon · 2 years ago

Double-frees are prevented by Vale's single ownership (in the C++ sense), generational references make it so use-after-frees are safely detected. If we try to access released memory via a reference, we should predictably+safely get either a segmentation fault or an assertion failure (and a future improvement involving remapping virtual space will make it so we get no segmentation faults, which I'm pretty excited for). Hope that helps!

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

How is Vale's memory safety approach different than CCured?

Lk7Of3vfJS2n commented on Vale's first prototype for immutable region borrowing verdagon.dev/blog/first-r... · Posted by u/modernerd

rcxdude · 2 years ago

It's pretty easy in a lot of embedded applications to basically only have objects that live forever or are allocated on the stack. I usually aim for zero heap at all, and just have statically allocated objects for the 'forever' set (which makes it easier to see what's using memory). If you're careful you can also statically work out worst-case stack usage as well and have a decent guarantee that you won't ever run out of memory. If there are short-lived objects, a memory pool or queue is usually the best option (though at that point you do invite use-after-free type errors and pool exhaustion). I would say with this style it's extremely rare to have memory safety issues, but it's also not really suitable to a lot of applications.

Lk7Of3vfJS2n · 2 years ago

Why is it not really suitable to a lot of applications?