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Foreignborn commented on Friendship Begins at Home   3quarksdaily.com/3quarksd... · Posted by u/herbertl
jagrsw · 2 months ago
Skilled essay, but not an argument. Opens with "As Jung notes" as an appeal to authority, then more name-drops.

Misses clear definitions (what counts as "friendship with self"?) and the mechanism (how X->Y). Anecdotes/quotes != proofs.

IOW, prestige != proof. Two quick checks 1) strip the names - does the reasoning still stand? 2) Flip to counterexamples - does the thesis survive? We all know people who are hard on themselves but deeply loving to others.

Nice essay but treat it as a opinion to test, not a truth to inherit. The thread reads as if the case were already proven.

Foreignborn · 2 months ago
it at least seems like it has a modicum of human thought, whereas this GPT drivel does not.
Foreignborn commented on We Politely Insist: Your LLM Must Learn the Persian Art of Taarof   arxiv.org/abs/2509.01035... · Posted by u/chosenbeard
sandworm101 · 3 months ago
Formalized politeness is also a cover. I remember a senior military officer deployed to Afghanistan. On week one he met with all the local leaders, drinking tea in countless houses. But by week two many of those same leaders were shooting at his people. The officer didn't understand that when he was new he was protected as a "guest" but that enforced politeness was never going to be permanent. Crossroad countries like Afghanistan/Iran have long support traders moving through and have cultures to support such travelers. But as soon as one is longer moving through, one shifts from honored guest to despised invader.

Many westerners in places like Japan speak of extreme politeness early on, but radical changes once you stay long enough to no longer be a guest in an area. Then the knives come out. Want to rent an expensive apartment in Tokyo as an english teacher? Cool. Hoops to jump but it can be done. Want to buy one of those cheap houses in rural Japan? Heck no.

Foreignborn · 3 months ago
the cheap house thing has nothing to do with if you’re foreign and everything to do with a bank not wanting to lend money for something there’s no market for.

you can easily buy these homes with cash. i know because i have a ton of friends that have done exactly this.

if you want a cheap house in a good market like tokyo, osaka or fukoaka, then you can do so through a bank via the normal routes

Foreignborn commented on They Thought They Were Free (1955)   press.uchicago.edu/Misc/C... · Posted by u/nataliste
Hilift · 3 months ago
No, they noticed. 90 years ago, 2/3 of the world's books were in Germany. They were educated and literate and knew what they were doing and what was happening. Germans were acutely aware of the reality of the day to day situation and their previous history in WW1.
Foreignborn · 3 months ago
I just read the book last week. What you said is not true in any useful sense. “Germans were acutely aware…” tries to reduce an entire population and years into one statement. Reality has much more color.

For the germans interviewed in the book, it seems to be true that many had read or heard about the camps or other atrocities, but (1) not the “final solution” which was not in the press and (2) there seems to be heavy desensitization from 1933-1955 when the book was written.

Aside from the tailor that had started the fire at the synagogue, the other 9 interviewees had not directly witnessed atrocities being committed, and instead focused on their personal hardships during the war.

Even though they may have been literate, the people in Mayer’s book were ignorant of the specific realities. Perhaps willfully ignorant, yes, but the nazi regime really did not give any opportunities otherwise.

not an expert, just reporting my notes from the book.

i highly recommend all americans read it, its not a long book. it feels eerily familiar, even though many circumstances are drastically different.

Foreignborn commented on AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem   vincirufus.com/posts/agi-... · Posted by u/vincirufus
gwern · 4 months ago
They can, but they are known to have a self-favoring bias, and in this case, the error is so easily identified that it raises the question of why GPT-5 would both come up with it & preserve it when it can so easily identify it; while if that was part of OP's original inputs (whatever those were) it is much less surprising (because it is a common human error and mindlessly parroted in a lot of the 'scaling has hit a wall' human journalism).
Foreignborn · 4 months ago
do you have a source?

when i’ve done toy demos where GPT5, sonnet 4 and gemini 2.5 pro critique/vote on various docs (eg PRDs) they did not choose their own material more often than not.

my setup wasn’t intended to benchmark though so could be wrong over enough iterations.

Foreignborn commented on Dispelling misconceptions about RLHF   aerial-toothpaste-34a.not... · Posted by u/fpgaminer
einrealist · 4 months ago
> “Successful” is importantly distinct from “correct.”

This is the most important sentence describing the fundamental issue that LLMs have. This severely limits the technology's useful applications. Yet OpenAI and others constantly lie about it.

The article very clearly explains why models won't be able to generalise unless RL is performed constantly. But that's not scalable, has other problems in itself. For example, it still runs into paradoxes where the training mechanism has to know the answer in order to formulate the question. (This is precisely where the concept of World Models comes in or why symbolism becomes more important.)

LLMs perform well in highly specialised scenarios with a well-defined and well-known problem space. It's probably possible to increase accuracy and correctness by using lots of interconnected models that can perform RL with each other. Again, this raises questions of scale and feasibility. But I think our brains (together with the other organs) work this way.

Foreignborn · 4 months ago
can you say more about world models or symbolism?

i thought world models like genie 3 would be the training mechanism, but i likely misunderstand.

Foreignborn commented on My Family and the Flood   texasmonthly.com/news-pol... · Posted by u/herbertl
madaxe_again · 5 months ago
Like the little boy with his skin melted off walking down the road crying for his mother… horrendous stuff.
Foreignborn · 5 months ago
These stories always have me instantly sobbing, life can be tragically unfair.
Foreignborn commented on Writing Code Was Never the Bottleneck   ordep.dev/posts/writing-c... · Posted by u/phire
lionkor · 5 months ago
I pray for whoever has to review code you didn't bother writing
Foreignborn · 5 months ago
Everyone is responsible for what they deliver. No one is shipping gluttonous CLs, because no one would review them. You still have to know and defend your work.

Not sure what to tell you otherwise. The code is much more thought through, with more tests, and better docs. There’s even entire workflows for the CI portion and review.

I would look at workflows like this as augmentation than automation.

Foreignborn commented on Writing Code Was Never the Bottleneck   ordep.dev/posts/writing-c... · Posted by u/phire
andrelaszlo · 5 months ago
My most recent example of this is mentoring young, ambitious, but inexperienced interns.

Not only did they produce about the same amount of code in a day that they used to produce in a week (or two), several other things made my work harder than before:

- During review, they hadn't thought as deeply about their code so my comments seemed to often go over their heads. Instead of a discussion I'd get something like "good catch, I'll fix that" (also reminiscent of an LLM).

- The time spent on trivial issues went down a lot, almost zero, the remaining issues were much more subtle and time-consuming to find and describe.

- Many bugs were of a new kind (to me), the code would look like it does the right thing but actually not work at all, or just be much more broken than code with that level of "polish" would normally be. This breakdown of pattern-matching compared to "organic" code made the overhead much higher. Spending decades reviewing code and answering Stack Overflow questions often makes it possible to pinpoint not just a bug but how the author got there in the first place and how to help them avoid similar things in the future.

- A simple, but bad (inefficient, wrong, illegal, ugly, ...) solution is a nice thing to discuss, but the LLM-assisted junior dev often cooks up something much more complex, which can be bad in many ways at once. The culture of slowly growing a PR from a little bit broken, thinking about design and other considerations, until its high quality and ready for a final review doesn't work the same way.

- Instead of fixing the things in the original PR, I'd often get a completely different approach as the response to my first review. Again, often broken in new and subtle ways.

This lead to a kind of effort inversion, where senior devs spent much more time on these PRs than the junior authors themselves. The junior dev would feel (I assume) much more productive and competent, but the response to their work would eventually lack most of the usual enthusiasm or encouragement from senior devs.

How do people work with these issues? One thing that worked well for me initially was to always require a lot of (passing) tests but eventually these tests would suffer from many of the same problems

Foreignborn · 5 months ago
I have a team that’s somewhat junior at a big company. We pretty much have everyone “vibe plan” significantly more than vibe code.

- you need to think through the product more, really be sure it’s as clarified as it can be. Everyone has their own process, but it looks like rubber ducking, critiquing, breaking work into phases, those into tasks, etc. (jobs to be done, business requirement docs, domain driven design planning, UX writing product lexicon docs, literally any and all artifacts)

- Prioritize setting up tooling and feedback loops (code quality tools of any and every kind, are required). this includes custom rules to help enforce anything you decided during planning. Spent time on this and life will be a lot better for everyone.

- We typically making very very detailed plans, and then the agents will “IVI” it (eg automatic linting, single test, test suite, manual evaluation).

You basically set up as many and as diverse of automatic feedback signals as you can.

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I will plan and document for 2-4 hours, then print a bunch of small “PRDs” that are like “1 story point” small. There’s clear definitions of done.

Doing this, I can pretty much go the gym or have meetings or whatever for 1-2 hours hands off.

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Foreignborn commented on The new skill in AI is not prompting, it's context engineering   philschmid.de/context-eng... · Posted by u/robotswantdata
storus · 6 months ago
Those issues are considered artifacts of the current crop of LLMs in academic circles; there is already research allowing LLMs to use millions of different tools at the same time, and stable long contexts, likely reducing the amount of agents to one for most use cases outside interfacing different providers.

Anyone basing their future agentic systems on current LLMs would likely face LangChain fate - built for GPT-3, made obsolete by GPT-3.5.

Foreignborn · 6 months ago
yes, but those aren’t released and even then you’ll always need glue code.

you just need to knowingly resource what glue code is needed, and build it in a way it can scale with whatever new limits that upgraded models give you.

i can’t imagine a world where people aren’t building products that try to overcome the limitations of SOTA models

Foreignborn commented on Updates to Advanced Voice Mode for paid users   help.openai.com/en/articl... · Posted by u/mfiguiere
nikkwong · 6 months ago
The women voices all sound like the valley girl that you wish wasn’t invited to the party. The male voices, sound well, similar to that I guess id say. I’d like voices that sound more like ethnic people found the crowds that many of us interlope in, rather than the pompous ivy-league educated girlfriend you wish your friend didn’t have. The product shouldn’t so clearly advertise that it was developed in a San Francisco monoculture.
Foreignborn · 6 months ago
you want more options for voices that reflects all the types of people in the world. good feedback.

The next part i’m only saying because it reminds me so much of my younger self: The rest of what you said, and how you said it, has a lot of projection and insecurity.

u/Foreignborn

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