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CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
LPisGood · 10 months ago
If Trump’s anti-trade policies were targeted at China and China alone, this analogy would be applicable.
CountSessine · 10 months ago
Read Miran’s paper.
CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
alfiedotwtf · 10 months ago
There is a surplus trade between the US and Australia and, yet our beef industry was called out as being imbalanced towards US beef.

… it was never about imbalances but protectionism and racketeering

CountSessine · 10 months ago
Read the Miran paper. It’s not about imbalances. It’s about negotiating leverage. Australia in particular is going to be the most interesting case in the world.

Strategically, Australia is more sympathetic to the US, but your trade with China is many multiples of your trade with the US. If you join the US you’ll have to raise tariffs against China and if you don’t you’ll naturally fall into China's orbit. Interesting times!

CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
alfiedotwtf · 10 months ago
Why did he tare up his own trade agreements that he signed himself during his first term?
CountSessine · 10 months ago
Because Trump himself isn’t really that smart?

Like I said, he takes the advice of the last person who talks to him. He’s very suggestible. The best parts of his presidency, so far, have been when he follows the plan in project 2025, which you may not agree with, but is at least sane and coherent. The worst bits are when he adlibs, like the stupid tariff escalation with China.

Ultimately the biggest problem with Miran’s plan is that now that Trump is tearing up these trade agreements, no one has any reason to believe that the new one is worth the paper it’s printed on. He has no integrity and no one signs agreements with people who have no integrity.

CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
LPisGood · 10 months ago
I think what a lot of people miss when they talk about America being the “global police” is that almost always the law (so to speak) that the “global police” are enforcing is enforcing is the advancement of American interests.
CountSessine · 10 months ago
And yet the near-term interest is to keep buying Volkswagens from Hitler.
CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
triceratops · 10 months ago
> just fix your sh*t to reduce the trade imbalance

But why does each individual country's trade need to be perfectly balanced with the US? What are the odds of that happening for every single country? What are the odds of it working for every possible pair of countries?

CountSessine · 10 months ago
I agree with you, but I also think you have this idea that trade is currently governed by largely linear and symmetric rules in Ricardian harmony, and that just isn’t the case.

Every industrialized exporting country in the world has optimized for exporting to the US, and there’s plenty of govt policy involved. Trade barriers are the norm, not the exception. If other countries optimize their trade rules, regulations, and money supply to optimize for a sizeable trade surplus with the US, they can change their policy to reduce the surplus.

CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
LPisGood · 10 months ago
The thought that there should be bilateral trade balance is ridiculous on the face of it. Vietnam and the USA _should_ have a trade imbalance.

That’s why all this talk of “forcing them to the negotiating table” is absurd.

CountSessine · 10 months ago
Give up your whole notion of “should”. There is no “should”. The formula is for aligning incentives. It’s no longer enough for other govts to claim compliance with abstract requirements while clandestinely working against them - they need to be committed to helping importers succeed.
CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
zmmmmm · 10 months ago
Which "smart" person advised him to calculate tariffs based on trade imbalance for each country, including uninhabited islands? It's an utterly stupid idea that makes no sense at all.
CountSessine · 10 months ago
If you read Miran's paper, the point of the tariffs is to bring US trade partners to the table to negotiate the alliance, so really they could be anything at all. It could have been 420% or 31.4159% or whatever, right across the board.

But the amounts are actually kind of clever and it reflects the fact that there's a more mature understand of trade barriers now vs when the WTO was negotiated.

How much do you know about trade barriers? Beyond tariffs, they're extraordinarily complicated and rely on regulations, trip-wires, and unequal application of rules.

Canada has "free trade" with dairy, but only on dairy imports up to a point, and after that heavy tariffs apply. But no one ever imports enough to incur those tariffs, so, that's free-trade, right? But actually, no one considers the Canadian dairy market worth the trouble without being able to import large amounts of dairy. So Canada can legitimately say that the trip-wire isn't applied, but it's a long ways from "free trade" because large importers are kept out.

China requires that foreign companies must partner with local companies to sell into the Chinese market. This effectively leads to a lot of technology transfers. It's not a tariff, but it's pretty clearly a "trade barrier" because companies that want to protect their IP are denied access.

In the 80's when US trade reps were negotiating with Japanese trade reps, the Americans would try to convince the Japanese that free trade was best for Japanese consumers. The Japanese reps would just respond, "how much do you want us to buy?"

The Japanese really didn't believe in free trade, and they were actively manipulating the value of the Yen at that point (it would be a few years still before the Plaza Accord), so they knew that just lowering tariffs wasn't going to make US goods sufficiently more competitive in Japan.

What's changed in 35 years is that the US doesn't really believe in "free trade" anymore either - not after all of the grief the WTO brought. The simple formulas are a no-bullshit approach to trade - the same ones that motivated those Japanese trade reps.

"I don't care how your trade barriers work - currency manipulation, tariffs, excess regulation, unequal rules - just fix your sh*t to reduce the trade imbalance."

CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
CountSessine · 10 months ago
I don't know about incompetent - there's plenty of smart people around Trump. The big problem seems to be that they all kind of disagree with each other and Trump ends up doing what the guy who talks to him most recently advises him to do.

The current "plan" seems to be to leave behind the largely-defunct WTO once and for all and build a selective free-trade alliance specifically excluding China, much like GATT was. I don't think this would really make the US "richer" (or any participant in the alliance) - in fact it would probably make us all a bit poorer. But it would make China much poorer which at this point is kind of the goal.

https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/rese...

But that's just today. Next week someone else might get Trump's ear before he speaks to the press.

CountSessine · 10 months ago
For the record, I'm not really sure how I feel about this plan. Free trade with China uplifted 700 million people (in China) from poverty.

OTOH, if you believe that China is basically Germany circa 1938 (and indeed, China in 2025 is the largest and most successful fascist state in all of history), then kneecapping China's economy makes plenty of strategic sense.

But we could always just keep buying Hitler's Volkswagens - that's the direction our incentive gradient points in. The US doesn't need to be the global police - we could always just let China have Taiwan, the Senkakus, the Ryukyus, etc...

CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
LPisGood · 10 months ago
I think this is the most incompetent administration USA has had in modern times, and it’s perhaps the second most authoritarian (next to WW2 era FDR). The current administration seems to be taking concrete steps to weaken USA’s financial dominance in a way that has not happened in the years since you were a teenager.

I suspect these forces will combine to significantly weaken the dollar.

CountSessine · 10 months ago
I don't know about incompetent - there's plenty of smart people around Trump. The big problem seems to be that they all kind of disagree with each other and Trump ends up doing what the guy who talks to him most recently advises him to do.

The current "plan" seems to be to leave behind the largely-defunct WTO once and for all and build a selective free-trade alliance specifically excluding China, much like GATT was. I don't think this would really make the US "richer" (or any participant in the alliance) - in fact it would probably make us all a bit poorer. But it would make China much poorer which at this point is kind of the goal.

https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/rese...

But that's just today. Next week someone else might get Trump's ear before he speaks to the press.

CountSessine commented on Era of U.S. dollar may be winding down   news.harvard.edu/gazette/... · Posted by u/gnabgib
pylua · 10 months ago
Isn’t the dollar dominance a bit of a blessing and a curse? Labor rate in U.S. is very high compared to other countries.

It inevitably brings us many benefits, but it does feel like the U.S. and other western countries are being hollowed out.

Maybe this is more of cost disease than dollar dominance. Maybe they are related in some ways?

CountSessine · 10 months ago
Yes, this is the Triffin Trap or the Triffin Dilemma

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

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